Oh come on Mr Science Man, nothing is easier than to demonstrate that X
is not the casue of Y, simply show that X happened after Y - which is
exactly what Doug was doing.
Incidently the (British) Mental Health Act that is most significant in
this respect was passed in 1959 - several years before Foucault wrote
Madness and Civ, and many more before it was translated. Likewise in
Britain the whole anti-psychiatry movement of Laing and Cooper et al was
a sixties phenomena that was pushing on a door already opened by the
1959 Act.
De-instiutionalisation in Britain, and concern about how patients were
simply being dumped was occuring before Foucault had even been heard of
in Britain.
I was also asked where I had those schizophrenia questions. To my total
shame, I can't find the reference. I *think* that it was in a collection
of essays edited by Daniel Dennett, but its not the "Minds I" so I'm a
bit stumped. It was also in a book in a uni library which I'm no longer
at - so checking could take some time. I will try though 'cos it is a
interesting result that needs checking.
Jon.
"Oh, please. So, in California, it didn't really happen until later.
Naturally, cost-cutting is to blame, but I think you can't rule out the
Foucault effect entirely, much as you might like. You can find evidence
that something was a cause if you've got a smoking gun, like a report
which explicitly links the two, but you can't find evidence that
something was not a cause without a statistical analysis that controls
for the variables which you think are a cause."
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is not the casue of Y, simply show that X happened after Y - which is
exactly what Doug was doing.
Incidently the (British) Mental Health Act that is most significant in
this respect was passed in 1959 - several years before Foucault wrote
Madness and Civ, and many more before it was translated. Likewise in
Britain the whole anti-psychiatry movement of Laing and Cooper et al was
a sixties phenomena that was pushing on a door already opened by the
1959 Act.
De-instiutionalisation in Britain, and concern about how patients were
simply being dumped was occuring before Foucault had even been heard of
in Britain.
I was also asked where I had those schizophrenia questions. To my total
shame, I can't find the reference. I *think* that it was in a collection
of essays edited by Daniel Dennett, but its not the "Minds I" so I'm a
bit stumped. It was also in a book in a uni library which I'm no longer
at - so checking could take some time. I will try though 'cos it is a
interesting result that needs checking.
Jon.
"Oh, please. So, in California, it didn't really happen until later.
Naturally, cost-cutting is to blame, but I think you can't rule out the
Foucault effect entirely, much as you might like. You can find evidence
that something was a cause if you've got a smoking gun, like a report
which explicitly links the two, but you can't find evidence that
something was not a cause without a statistical analysis that controls
for the variables which you think are a cause."
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