As if there's actually someone not psychotically anti-Freud left in the
Pragmatic States of America, there is Norman O. Brown and what
Friedlander derisively calls the "Excremental Theory of Capitalism."
Anal erotism is, I submit, a facet of sexuality and subject to study
just as much as is the cultural construction thereof. Can
analism-as-capitalism be reconciled with our present discussion?
Happy Thanksgiving.
MT
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>Ian asked 'Does anyone know of a genealogy of the factory?', snd there
have
>been two replies, so far:
>
>1. I wrote 'Try part eight of volume one of Capital, by (what's his
name
>again!?!) Karl Marx' (Ian returned the objection that I expected: 'A
>post-Nietzschean 'genealogy' was kinda what I was looking for. Thanks
>anyway ...')
>
>2. Stuart wrote 'Not quite a genealogy, but look at The Prison and the
>Factory by Melossi & Pavarini (Macmillan, 1981)'
>
>
>A proposition: Of these two suggestions, it is Marx's which is MORE
>'post-Nietzschean' than the book by Melossi and Pavarini. Of course a
>proposition like this is not likely to be taken seriously, although I
am
>not joking. I can only make the suggestion that we pose the question,
and
>some may want to follow this up (yes, dates of birth and death would be
>really boring!).
>
>As you are probably reading these for a specific project, I suppose
that it
>wouldn't take you too far out of your way to read both of the
suggestions
>(the section from Capital and the book by Melossi & Pavarini). Maybe
>others who have already read both can help us. To assist us with this,
NB
>the Appendix which Melossi and Pavarini added in 1979 to the English
>translation (pp. 191ff.), in which they explicitly comment on the
relation
>of their work to that of Foucault's D&P.
>
>
>
>regards,
>
>
>Campbell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Pragmatic States of America, there is Norman O. Brown and what
Friedlander derisively calls the "Excremental Theory of Capitalism."
Anal erotism is, I submit, a facet of sexuality and subject to study
just as much as is the cultural construction thereof. Can
analism-as-capitalism be reconciled with our present discussion?
Happy Thanksgiving.
MT
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>Ian asked 'Does anyone know of a genealogy of the factory?', snd there
have
>been two replies, so far:
>
>1. I wrote 'Try part eight of volume one of Capital, by (what's his
name
>again!?!) Karl Marx' (Ian returned the objection that I expected: 'A
>post-Nietzschean 'genealogy' was kinda what I was looking for. Thanks
>anyway ...')
>
>2. Stuart wrote 'Not quite a genealogy, but look at The Prison and the
>Factory by Melossi & Pavarini (Macmillan, 1981)'
>
>
>A proposition: Of these two suggestions, it is Marx's which is MORE
>'post-Nietzschean' than the book by Melossi and Pavarini. Of course a
>proposition like this is not likely to be taken seriously, although I
am
>not joking. I can only make the suggestion that we pose the question,
and
>some may want to follow this up (yes, dates of birth and death would be
>really boring!).
>
>As you are probably reading these for a specific project, I suppose
that it
>wouldn't take you too far out of your way to read both of the
suggestions
>(the section from Capital and the book by Melossi & Pavarini). Maybe
>others who have already read both can help us. To assist us with this,
NB
>the Appendix which Melossi and Pavarini added in 1979 to the English
>translation (pp. 191ff.), in which they explicitly comment on the
relation
>of their work to that of Foucault's D&P.
>
>
>
>regards,
>
>
>Campbell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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