I agree, I was surprised by the way things are build up, the line drawn,
it's gives me a different view on his work which I only knew from the books
and some articles. It's a pity they don't appear faster. it will take years
and the cronology seems bizar. cfr. Il faut défendre la societé. (76) It
gives me the opportunity to look differtently at the edited books, like
Stuart says to read H/S1 in a new perspective, to see the ideas growing. I
like the issues on the kings and power. Ubu and later on the king/queen
monster. How these images work.
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>Thanks for the reply. I quite enjoyed Les Anormaux - the main reason being
>how much there was that gave a hint of how the History of Sexuality series
>would have run in its originally planned form. Vol I is very disappointing
>-
>if taken on its own - but it seems very much an overview of ideas and
>positions to be further explored. Sexuality's four constituent subjects are
>set up: the perverse adult, the hysterical woman, the masturbating child,
>the Malthusian couple and the original plan was to treat each of these in a
>single volume (Les pervers; La femme, la mere et l'hysterique; La croisade
>des enfants; Races et populations). The other volume was to be on
>confession
>(La chair et le corps). Les Anormaux seems to me to clearly be concerned
>with the perverse adult, there is one lecture and a bit of another on the
>masturbating child, and running themes treating confession and the flesh.
>The stuff on the perverse adult is really interesting, especially the
>material on hermaphrodites. The bits on masturbation were equally good. I
>wasn't so sure about the bits on confession, and as i understand it the
>work
>on confession for La chair et le corps (planned vol II) was what led
>Foucault to abandon the original plan and work more historically than
>thematically. Daniel Defert told the editors of Les Anormaux that F had
>destroyed the manuscript for the original vol II.
>
>I think it's a great shame we don't have the volumes as originally planned.
>Clearly from the material here, Les pervers would have been a great book.
>There is some fascinating documentary material. The volume on women would
>have answered a number of the questions feminists raise about Foucault's
>work - whether they would have agreed with him any more or less is of
>course
>debatable. And the final chapter of Vol I seems to me to be one of the most
>interesting in the book - the only other lecture course published ('Il faut
>defendre la societe') treats this in detail, it would have presumably been
>continued in Races et populations, and might well have greatly improved our
>knowledge of Foucault's notions of bio-power and governmentality.
>
>I've just about finished an article (co-written) drawing on Foucault's work
>here on hermaphrodites, and juxtaposing it with Freud on bisexuality. I'm
>considering writing a piece on how Foucault's analysis of space is central
>to his understanding the crusade against masturbation. It strikes me there
>is much else here that could be mined productively.
>
>Best
>
>Stuart
>
>
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>
>
> Stuart
>
>I am reading Les anormaux at present. What strikes me is Foucault's ironic
>sense of humour, which I used to enjoy when I was attending his lectures. I
>don't think the material is amongst his better stuff, but then I think the
>stuff he produced during the 1970s in general tended to be very uneven. In
>my view TheHistory of Sexuality volume 1 is his worst book and reads almost
>like a parody of his other work and Discipline and Punish although it is
>interesting and useful lacks the spark of some of some of his other work.
>
>But I am really only at the beginning of Les anormaux - maybe it gets
>better. Having said this it is still okay.
>
>Clare
>
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it's gives me a different view on his work which I only knew from the books
and some articles. It's a pity they don't appear faster. it will take years
and the cronology seems bizar. cfr. Il faut défendre la societé. (76) It
gives me the opportunity to look differtently at the edited books, like
Stuart says to read H/S1 in a new perspective, to see the ideas growing. I
like the issues on the kings and power. Ubu and later on the king/queen
monster. How these images work.
>From: Stuart Elden <stuart.elden@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>Clare
>
>Thanks for the reply. I quite enjoyed Les Anormaux - the main reason being
>how much there was that gave a hint of how the History of Sexuality series
>would have run in its originally planned form. Vol I is very disappointing
>-
>if taken on its own - but it seems very much an overview of ideas and
>positions to be further explored. Sexuality's four constituent subjects are
>set up: the perverse adult, the hysterical woman, the masturbating child,
>the Malthusian couple and the original plan was to treat each of these in a
>single volume (Les pervers; La femme, la mere et l'hysterique; La croisade
>des enfants; Races et populations). The other volume was to be on
>confession
>(La chair et le corps). Les Anormaux seems to me to clearly be concerned
>with the perverse adult, there is one lecture and a bit of another on the
>masturbating child, and running themes treating confession and the flesh.
>The stuff on the perverse adult is really interesting, especially the
>material on hermaphrodites. The bits on masturbation were equally good. I
>wasn't so sure about the bits on confession, and as i understand it the
>work
>on confession for La chair et le corps (planned vol II) was what led
>Foucault to abandon the original plan and work more historically than
>thematically. Daniel Defert told the editors of Les Anormaux that F had
>destroyed the manuscript for the original vol II.
>
>I think it's a great shame we don't have the volumes as originally planned.
>Clearly from the material here, Les pervers would have been a great book.
>There is some fascinating documentary material. The volume on women would
>have answered a number of the questions feminists raise about Foucault's
>work - whether they would have agreed with him any more or less is of
>course
>debatable. And the final chapter of Vol I seems to me to be one of the most
>interesting in the book - the only other lecture course published ('Il faut
>defendre la societe') treats this in detail, it would have presumably been
>continued in Races et populations, and might well have greatly improved our
>knowledge of Foucault's notions of bio-power and governmentality.
>
>I've just about finished an article (co-written) drawing on Foucault's work
>here on hermaphrodites, and juxtaposing it with Freud on bisexuality. I'm
>considering writing a piece on how Foucault's analysis of space is central
>to his understanding the crusade against masturbation. It strikes me there
>is much else here that could be mined productively.
>
>Best
>
>Stuart
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Clare
>O'Farrell
>Sent: 22 February 2000 00:59
>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Les anormaux
>
>
> Stuart
>
>I am reading Les anormaux at present. What strikes me is Foucault's ironic
>sense of humour, which I used to enjoy when I was attending his lectures. I
>don't think the material is amongst his better stuff, but then I think the
>stuff he produced during the 1970s in general tended to be very uneven. In
>my view TheHistory of Sexuality volume 1 is his worst book and reads almost
>like a parody of his other work and Discipline and Punish although it is
>interesting and useful lacks the spark of some of some of his other work.
>
>But I am really only at the beginning of Les anormaux - maybe it gets
>better. Having said this it is still okay.
>
>Clare
>
>***********************************************************
>Clare O'Farrell
>email:c.ofarrell@xxxxxxxxxx
>web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/
>***********************************************************
>
>
>
>
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