Sorry, but the mass conciousness is fact.That,what you
write, does not requires efforts to be said and
thinked.
everyone thik like that.
--- Peter Rugh <pcrugh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> How can we escape idealism in politics, is it
> possible? If we have an ideal
> state with an ideal of citizenship that has a kind
> of "macro" political
> constraint on morality, i.e., law, then we don't
> need notions of "mass
> movement" (which are really just convenient for
> floating abstractions). Why
> are folks still trying to identify individuals with
> masses, that's my
> ultimate question with regards for political theory.
> Why do we need to
> identify our 'selves' with an ideal? Is it not the
> ideal that we have always
> tried to comprehend? Should we displace it as some
> perfect thing in a
> reality, a perfect state? Sorry, but I do not think
> there is any such thing
> as "mass consciousness" (it's just too dreamy). I
> think we have ideals that
> commonly or universally appeal (whichever is the
> greater aspiration) for
> identifying our 'selves' with a state as we desire
> it to be, not necessarily
> founded on a "reason for being", rather, on a
> condition that it will achieve
> the ideal state as we want it to be. We have to make
> it happen without any
> need for some gross symbolization of how it is
> supposedly happening, rather,
> how ever it can happen. (sorry, if this isn't making
> sense).
>
> Birgit Bock wrote:
>
> > I think there are political implications in
> foucaults attack on both
> > expert, common sense and specialized notions of
> science and history. if
> > our
> > mass
> > consciousness, which could be termed modern
> configuration of knowledge
> > just as well, is not perswauded or unquestioning
> influenced by the power
> > of modern knowledge, we are indeed occupieing a
> space in which one can
> > think differently. And thinking differently is
> political, in as much as
> > all habit and action are motivated by our
> attitudes and perceptions of
> > reality. Macro politics, what is that? it sounds
> like real politics, not
> > the hair brain ideas of a few dreamers- but the
> cold hard reality
> > of the " mass individual" in mordern society.
> >
> > And if we are going to limit ourselves to
> societies reality we have
> > already are we not already lost. Is there any
> future in Macro politics?
> > If there is anything to be gotten from foucault it
> is in part that we
> > don't have to confine our experience with in the
> limits of Macro politics
> > with out at the same time falling into idealism.
> >
> > jeremiah
> >
> > http://www.peak057.com/youselfdown/
>
> --
> Peter Rugh
> Philosophy Undergrad
> Indiana University
> pcrugh.geo@xxxxxxxxxxx
> www.geocities.com/pcrugh.geo/
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write, does not requires efforts to be said and
thinked.
everyone thik like that.
--- Peter Rugh <pcrugh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> How can we escape idealism in politics, is it
> possible? If we have an ideal
> state with an ideal of citizenship that has a kind
> of "macro" political
> constraint on morality, i.e., law, then we don't
> need notions of "mass
> movement" (which are really just convenient for
> floating abstractions). Why
> are folks still trying to identify individuals with
> masses, that's my
> ultimate question with regards for political theory.
> Why do we need to
> identify our 'selves' with an ideal? Is it not the
> ideal that we have always
> tried to comprehend? Should we displace it as some
> perfect thing in a
> reality, a perfect state? Sorry, but I do not think
> there is any such thing
> as "mass consciousness" (it's just too dreamy). I
> think we have ideals that
> commonly or universally appeal (whichever is the
> greater aspiration) for
> identifying our 'selves' with a state as we desire
> it to be, not necessarily
> founded on a "reason for being", rather, on a
> condition that it will achieve
> the ideal state as we want it to be. We have to make
> it happen without any
> need for some gross symbolization of how it is
> supposedly happening, rather,
> how ever it can happen. (sorry, if this isn't making
> sense).
>
> Birgit Bock wrote:
>
> > I think there are political implications in
> foucaults attack on both
> > expert, common sense and specialized notions of
> science and history. if
> > our
> > mass
> > consciousness, which could be termed modern
> configuration of knowledge
> > just as well, is not perswauded or unquestioning
> influenced by the power
> > of modern knowledge, we are indeed occupieing a
> space in which one can
> > think differently. And thinking differently is
> political, in as much as
> > all habit and action are motivated by our
> attitudes and perceptions of
> > reality. Macro politics, what is that? it sounds
> like real politics, not
> > the hair brain ideas of a few dreamers- but the
> cold hard reality
> > of the " mass individual" in mordern society.
> >
> > And if we are going to limit ourselves to
> societies reality we have
> > already are we not already lost. Is there any
> future in Macro politics?
> > If there is anything to be gotten from foucault it
> is in part that we
> > don't have to confine our experience with in the
> limits of Macro politics
> > with out at the same time falling into idealism.
> >
> > jeremiah
> >
> > http://www.peak057.com/youselfdown/
>
> --
> Peter Rugh
> Philosophy Undergrad
> Indiana University
> pcrugh.geo@xxxxxxxxxxx
> www.geocities.com/pcrugh.geo/
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