Thank You , Mr. Doctor! Your analysys is perfect!! It
must be assumed, that to make those analysys is the
verry profession of yours. And You must be the best in
your profession.Amd i addmire You!
But there is realy a conflict between those two
spatial forms: inside and outside. Because the muslim
extremists are inside (the fantasies), and realy
outside: They can be seen among the albanian terrorist
bands in Macedonia. I will provide the group with few
shots of these guys. And when they are outside, it
realy means trouble.
They are here,in the verry homeland of ours: Europe.
And yes, the balkans are realy transformewd into
muslim area: there is no other explanation, for the
support, given by NATO to the Albanian terror in
Macedonia.
And Your analysys is realy perfect.
Addmrations!
Jivko
--- Tanju SARI <tanjus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Jivko as i reading your messages and the one below i
> hardly can figure out
> what your 'real' beliefs are .Subconsciously you
> must have a hard liner
> christian faith which is mixed with mtyhlogical
> fantasies like 'Balkans are
> being transformed to islamic area' but on the
> surface your arguments
> succesfully cover this inferiority and intelligently
> carries some modernist
> vague thoughts.How can you manage this? I mean
> acting like an intellectual
> and thinking like a Bulgarian farmer?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jivko Georgiev <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 16 Eyll 2001 Pazar 12:04
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: recent events
>
>
> >Clare, your suggestion for the changes in the
> american
> >politics is a insight. My admirations to You.
> >We must addmit that the american foreign police was
> >becoming more arrogant day by day. Arrogance and
> >arrogance! More and more! They want to destroy a
> >christian society, who just started submiting
> itself
> >in the hands of God, and to give us in the hands of
> >the muslims. The Balkans.
> >Maybe God was furious about that. Maybe it was the
> >rage of God...
> >
> >Regards!
> >Jivko
> >
> >--- Lionel Boxer <lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Don't feel bad Clare, I was removed from an
> American
> >> based list today by the
> >> American administrator for suggesting some of the
> >> ideas that are posted on
> >> this list. Then again, they are all old white
> males
> >> in an exclusive white
> >> male society. Shocking perception of the world.
> >>
> >> I keep thinking back to what my Tanzanian officer
> >> friend told me in 1978.
> >>
> >> Lionel
> >>
> >> >From: Clare O'Farrell
> <panopticon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >Subject: Re: recent events
> >> >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:54:59 -0700
> >> >
> >> >>There is something odd about chastising
> >> "Americans" for arrogance and
> >> >>then instructing us on how to conduct
> elections.
> >> No advice on elections
> >> >>for Afghanistan? There is also something
> >> peculiarly arrogant about
> >> >>thinking that the FIRST response to a vicious
> >> attack on civilians should
> >> >>be to rethink foreign policy.
> >> >
> >> >I was aware that I was leaving myself open to
> this
> >> kind of criticism
> >> >when I made my remarks. However I would like to
> say
> >> a few things
> >> >here. The US (unlike Afghanistan which is of
> course
> >> *more* than open
> >> >to criticism!) is currently the most powerful
> >> country -economically,
> >> >militarily and culturally in the world arena. It
> >> also purports to
> >> >play a world leadership role. This has very
> >> practical effects on
> >> >those living in other countries which those
> living
> >> in the US might
> >> >not be aware of. Just to use the example of even
> a
> >> 1st world country
> >> >like Australia - since the Bush administration
> came
> >> into power the
> >> >Australian dollar has plummeted on the world
> market
> >> making it
> >> >difficult for ordinary people to travel out of
> the
> >> country and making
> >> >American as well as other imported goods (of
> which
> >> there are many)
> >> >very expensive. Australian cinemas and tv
> channels
> >> are flooded with
> >> >American films and tv shows and have been for
> >> years. The Prime
> >> >Minister was in the US last week when everything
> >> happened to ratify a
> >> >military treaty with the US. (He had to return
> home
> >> without doing
> >> >this). Australians are affected by US
> leadership,
> >> foreign policy and
> >> >culture at a very practical day to day level in
> >> ways they can't
> >> >escape.
> >> >
> >> >One can also draw attention to the impact of
> >> English language culture
> >> >in non English speaking countries. Given these
> >> circumstances, the
> >> >rest of the world watches anxiously during US
> >> elections to see what
> >> >political leadership is voted in and hopes that
> the
> >> response of that
> >> >leadership on the world stage will be
> enlightened
> >> and moderate. Bush
> >> >appears to have toned down some of his initial
> >> remarks which is a
> >> >relief to the many people who are very worried
> >> about the potential
> >> >for world conflict in response to recent events.
> >> One of the few
> >> >avenues of influence non Americans have in these
> >> contexts is to open
> >> >questions for discussion. (terrorism is not
> power -
> >> it is about
> >> >violence and the limits of power - Foucault
> makes a
> >> clear distinction
> >> >here) If one country is able to exercise as much
> >> power as the US is,
> >> >the rest of the world is quite within its rights
> to
> >> raise questions
> >> >for discussion about its foreign policy, civic
> >> education and
> >> >electoral systems. Indeed I think these
> questions
> >> should be discussed
> >> >in relation to *every* society and not
> necessarily
> >> just by members of
> >> >those societies. No society is exempt from
> >> criticism.
> >> >
> >> >The US also claims to be a democracy and much
> has
> >> been made of this
> >> >during recent events. One notes however that
> only a
> >> small percentage
> >> >- 30% (does anyone have the right figures here?)
> -
> >> of the potential
> >> >voting public actually voted in the last
> >> presidential elections and
> >> >then there was the saga over the vote
> counting...
> >> What are we to make
> >> >of this disjunction between the rhetoric and the
> >> practice?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>The distinction between state-sponsored and
> >> non-state sponsored terrorism
> >> >>is porous. Surely a list where the distinction
> >> between private and public
> >> >>decisions in capitalist societies is treated
> with
> >> skepticism should show
> >> >>similar skepticism about terrorists who could
> not
> >> flourish without being
> >> >>harbored by a host country.
> >> >
> >> >I agree with you on this and offer a useful
> >> citation from Foucault
>
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must be assumed, that to make those analysys is the
verry profession of yours. And You must be the best in
your profession.Amd i addmire You!
But there is realy a conflict between those two
spatial forms: inside and outside. Because the muslim
extremists are inside (the fantasies), and realy
outside: They can be seen among the albanian terrorist
bands in Macedonia. I will provide the group with few
shots of these guys. And when they are outside, it
realy means trouble.
They are here,in the verry homeland of ours: Europe.
And yes, the balkans are realy transformewd into
muslim area: there is no other explanation, for the
support, given by NATO to the Albanian terror in
Macedonia.
And Your analysys is realy perfect.
Addmrations!
Jivko
--- Tanju SARI <tanjus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Jivko as i reading your messages and the one below i
> hardly can figure out
> what your 'real' beliefs are .Subconsciously you
> must have a hard liner
> christian faith which is mixed with mtyhlogical
> fantasies like 'Balkans are
> being transformed to islamic area' but on the
> surface your arguments
> succesfully cover this inferiority and intelligently
> carries some modernist
> vague thoughts.How can you manage this? I mean
> acting like an intellectual
> and thinking like a Bulgarian farmer?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jivko Georgiev <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 16 Eyll 2001 Pazar 12:04
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: recent events
>
>
> >Clare, your suggestion for the changes in the
> american
> >politics is a insight. My admirations to You.
> >We must addmit that the american foreign police was
> >becoming more arrogant day by day. Arrogance and
> >arrogance! More and more! They want to destroy a
> >christian society, who just started submiting
> itself
> >in the hands of God, and to give us in the hands of
> >the muslims. The Balkans.
> >Maybe God was furious about that. Maybe it was the
> >rage of God...
> >
> >Regards!
> >Jivko
> >
> >--- Lionel Boxer <lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Don't feel bad Clare, I was removed from an
> American
> >> based list today by the
> >> American administrator for suggesting some of the
> >> ideas that are posted on
> >> this list. Then again, they are all old white
> males
> >> in an exclusive white
> >> male society. Shocking perception of the world.
> >>
> >> I keep thinking back to what my Tanzanian officer
> >> friend told me in 1978.
> >>
> >> Lionel
> >>
> >> >From: Clare O'Farrell
> <panopticon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >Subject: Re: recent events
> >> >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:54:59 -0700
> >> >
> >> >>There is something odd about chastising
> >> "Americans" for arrogance and
> >> >>then instructing us on how to conduct
> elections.
> >> No advice on elections
> >> >>for Afghanistan? There is also something
> >> peculiarly arrogant about
> >> >>thinking that the FIRST response to a vicious
> >> attack on civilians should
> >> >>be to rethink foreign policy.
> >> >
> >> >I was aware that I was leaving myself open to
> this
> >> kind of criticism
> >> >when I made my remarks. However I would like to
> say
> >> a few things
> >> >here. The US (unlike Afghanistan which is of
> course
> >> *more* than open
> >> >to criticism!) is currently the most powerful
> >> country -economically,
> >> >militarily and culturally in the world arena. It
> >> also purports to
> >> >play a world leadership role. This has very
> >> practical effects on
> >> >those living in other countries which those
> living
> >> in the US might
> >> >not be aware of. Just to use the example of even
> a
> >> 1st world country
> >> >like Australia - since the Bush administration
> came
> >> into power the
> >> >Australian dollar has plummeted on the world
> market
> >> making it
> >> >difficult for ordinary people to travel out of
> the
> >> country and making
> >> >American as well as other imported goods (of
> which
> >> there are many)
> >> >very expensive. Australian cinemas and tv
> channels
> >> are flooded with
> >> >American films and tv shows and have been for
> >> years. The Prime
> >> >Minister was in the US last week when everything
> >> happened to ratify a
> >> >military treaty with the US. (He had to return
> home
> >> without doing
> >> >this). Australians are affected by US
> leadership,
> >> foreign policy and
> >> >culture at a very practical day to day level in
> >> ways they can't
> >> >escape.
> >> >
> >> >One can also draw attention to the impact of
> >> English language culture
> >> >in non English speaking countries. Given these
> >> circumstances, the
> >> >rest of the world watches anxiously during US
> >> elections to see what
> >> >political leadership is voted in and hopes that
> the
> >> response of that
> >> >leadership on the world stage will be
> enlightened
> >> and moderate. Bush
> >> >appears to have toned down some of his initial
> >> remarks which is a
> >> >relief to the many people who are very worried
> >> about the potential
> >> >for world conflict in response to recent events.
> >> One of the few
> >> >avenues of influence non Americans have in these
> >> contexts is to open
> >> >questions for discussion. (terrorism is not
> power -
> >> it is about
> >> >violence and the limits of power - Foucault
> makes a
> >> clear distinction
> >> >here) If one country is able to exercise as much
> >> power as the US is,
> >> >the rest of the world is quite within its rights
> to
> >> raise questions
> >> >for discussion about its foreign policy, civic
> >> education and
> >> >electoral systems. Indeed I think these
> questions
> >> should be discussed
> >> >in relation to *every* society and not
> necessarily
> >> just by members of
> >> >those societies. No society is exempt from
> >> criticism.
> >> >
> >> >The US also claims to be a democracy and much
> has
> >> been made of this
> >> >during recent events. One notes however that
> only a
> >> small percentage
> >> >- 30% (does anyone have the right figures here?)
> -
> >> of the potential
> >> >voting public actually voted in the last
> >> presidential elections and
> >> >then there was the saga over the vote
> counting...
> >> What are we to make
> >> >of this disjunction between the rhetoric and the
> >> practice?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>The distinction between state-sponsored and
> >> non-state sponsored terrorism
> >> >>is porous. Surely a list where the distinction
> >> between private and public
> >> >>decisions in capitalist societies is treated
> with
> >> skepticism should show
> >> >>similar skepticism about terrorists who could
> not
> >> flourish without being
> >> >>harbored by a host country.
> >> >
> >> >I agree with you on this and offer a useful
> >> citation from Foucault
>
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