Unlimited nationalism of slavic nations destroyed the Balkan peace and the
harmony and this might have provoked the Muslim extremists but what about
the Cethnicks? what about the so called socialist commanders who turned out
to be Nazi butchers in one night?
You cannot fake the rest of the world...
-----Original Message-----
From: Jivko Georgiev <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 17 Eylül 2001 Pazartesi 13:56
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: recent events?????
>Thank You , Mr. Doctor! Your analysys is perfect!! It
>must be assumed, that to make those analysys is the
>verry profession of yours. And You must be the best in
>your profession.Amd i addmire You!
>But there is realy a conflict between those two
>spatial forms: inside and outside. Because the muslim
>extremists are inside (the fantasies), and realy
>outside: They can be seen among the albanian terrorist
>bands in Macedonia. I will provide the group with few
>shots of these guys. And when they are outside, it
>realy means trouble.
>
>They are here,in the verry homeland of ours: Europe.
>
> And yes, the balkans are realy transformewd into
>muslim area: there is no other explanation, for the
>support, given by NATO to the Albanian terror in
>Macedonia.
>
>And Your analysys is realy perfect.
>
>Addmrations!
>Jivko
>--- Tanju SARI <tanjus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jivko as i reading your messages and the one below i
>> hardly can figure out
>> what your 'real' beliefs are .Subconsciously you
>> must have a hard liner
>> christian faith which is mixed with mtyhlogical
>> fantasies like 'Balkans are
>> being transformed to islamic area' but on the
>> surface your arguments
>> succesfully cover this inferiority and intelligently
>> carries some modernist
>> vague thoughts.How can you manage this? I mean
>> acting like an intellectual
>> and thinking like a Bulgarian farmer?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jivko Georgiev <jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 16 Eyll 2001 Pazar 12:04
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: recent events
>>
>>
>> >Clare, your suggestion for the changes in the
>> american
>> >politics is a insight. My admirations to You.
>> >We must addmit that the american foreign police was
>> >becoming more arrogant day by day. Arrogance and
>> >arrogance! More and more! They want to destroy a
>> >christian society, who just started submiting
>> itself
>> >in the hands of God, and to give us in the hands of
>> >the muslims. The Balkans.
>> >Maybe God was furious about that. Maybe it was the
>> >rage of God...
>> >
>> >Regards!
>> >Jivko
>> >
>> >--- Lionel Boxer <lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Don't feel bad Clare, I was removed from an
>> American
>> >> based list today by the
>> >> American administrator for suggesting some of the
>> >> ideas that are posted on
>> >> this list. Then again, they are all old white
>> males
>> >> in an exclusive white
>> >> male society. Shocking perception of the world.
>> >>
>> >> I keep thinking back to what my Tanzanian officer
>> >> friend told me in 1978.
>> >>
>> >> Lionel
>> >>
>> >> >From: Clare O'Farrell
>> <panopticon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >Subject: Re: recent events
>> >> >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:54:59 -0700
>> >> >
>> >> >>There is something odd about chastising
>> >> "Americans" for arrogance and
>> >> >>then instructing us on how to conduct
>> elections.
>> >> No advice on elections
>> >> >>for Afghanistan? There is also something
>> >> peculiarly arrogant about
>> >> >>thinking that the FIRST response to a vicious
>> >> attack on civilians should
>> >> >>be to rethink foreign policy.
>> >> >
>> >> >I was aware that I was leaving myself open to
>> this
>> >> kind of criticism
>> >> >when I made my remarks. However I would like to
>> say
>> >> a few things
>> >> >here. The US (unlike Afghanistan which is of
>> course
>> >> *more* than open
>> >> >to criticism!) is currently the most powerful
>> >> country -economically,
>> >> >militarily and culturally in the world arena. It
>> >> also purports to
>> >> >play a world leadership role. This has very
>> >> practical effects on
>> >> >those living in other countries which those
>> living
>> >> in the US might
>> >> >not be aware of. Just to use the example of even
>> a
>> >> 1st world country
>> >> >like Australia - since the Bush administration
>> came
>> >> into power the
>> >> >Australian dollar has plummeted on the world
>> market
>> >> making it
>> >> >difficult for ordinary people to travel out of
>> the
>> >> country and making
>> >> >American as well as other imported goods (of
>> which
>> >> there are many)
>> >> >very expensive. Australian cinemas and tv
>> channels
>> >> are flooded with
>> >> >American films and tv shows and have been for
>> >> years. The Prime
>> >> >Minister was in the US last week when everything
>> >> happened to ratify a
>> >> >military treaty with the US. (He had to return
>> home
>> >> without doing
>> >> >this). Australians are affected by US
>> leadership,
>> >> foreign policy and
>> >> >culture at a very practical day to day level in
>> >> ways they can't
>> >> >escape.
>> >> >
>> >> >One can also draw attention to the impact of
>> >> English language culture
>> >> >in non English speaking countries. Given these
>> >> circumstances, the
>> >> >rest of the world watches anxiously during US
>> >> elections to see what
>> >> >political leadership is voted in and hopes that
>> the
>> >> response of that
>> >> >leadership on the world stage will be
>> enlightened
>> >> and moderate. Bush
>> >> >appears to have toned down some of his initial
>> >> remarks which is a
>> >> >relief to the many people who are very worried
>> >> about the potential
>> >> >for world conflict in response to recent events.
>> >> One of the few
>> >> >avenues of influence non Americans have in these
>> >> contexts is to open
>> >> >questions for discussion. (terrorism is not
>> power -
>> >> it is about
>> >> >violence and the limits of power - Foucault
>> makes a
>> >> clear distinction
>> >> >here) If one country is able to exercise as much
>> >> power as the US is,
>> >> >the rest of the world is quite within its rights
>> to
>> >> raise questions
>> >> >for discussion about its foreign policy, civic
>> >> education and
>> >> >electoral systems. Indeed I think these
>> questions
>> >> should be discussed
>> >> >in relation to *every* society and not
>> necessarily
>> >> just by members of
>> >> >those societies. No society is exempt from
>> >> criticism.
>> >> >
>> >> >The US also claims to be a democracy and much
>> has
>> >> been made of this
>> >> >during recent events. One notes however that
>> only a
>> >> small percentage
>> >> >- 30% (does anyone have the right figures here?)
>> -
>> >> of the potential
>> >> >voting public actually voted in the last
>> >> presidential elections and
>> >> >then there was the saga over the vote
>> counting...
>> >> What are we to make
>> >> >of this disjunction between the rhetoric and the
>> >> practice?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The distinction between state-sponsored and
>> >> non-state sponsored terrorism
>> >> >>is porous. Surely a list where the distinction
>> >> between private and public
>> >> >>decisions in capitalist societies is treated
>> with
>> >> skepticism should show
>> >> >>similar skepticism about terrorists who could
>> not
>> >> flourish without being
>> >> >>harbored by a host country.
>> >> >
>> >> >I agree with you on this and offer a useful
>> >> citation from Foucault
>>
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