It's amazing what kind of non sequitors defenders of the occupation will
resort to. This is a total red herring; opposition to the occupation is
not anti-Semitic. It is not even anti-Israeli. On the contrary, what
Sharon is doing to the Palestinian people is a disgrace to the memory of
the holocaust. You should be ashamed of yourself for prostituting the
memory of the holocaust to defend the ethnocidal policies of
Sharon. Please check some of the following sites (all Jewish groups
against the occupation).
http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
http://www.nimn.org/ (Not In My Name)
http://www.btselem.org/ (B'tselem - The Israeli Information Center for
Human Rights in the Occupied Territories)
http://www.icahd.org/eng/ (Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions)
http://www.newprofile.org/english/ (New Profile - Movement for the
Civil-ization of Israeli Society)
At 02:32 AM 4/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Im sure most of you girls think Hitler was a cute guy.
>--- Stephen Bean <sbean@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Jim,
> > Apologies for the long e-mail, but I thought you
> > might be interested in Noam
> > Chomskys recent article.
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > >US-Israel-Palestine
> > >by Noam Chomsky
> > >Red Pepper, May 2002
> > >April 11, 2002
> > >
> > >ZNet Top
> > >
> > >MIDEAST WATCH
> > >
> > >
> > >A year ago, Hebrew University sociologist Baruch
> > Kimmerling observed
> > >that "What we feared has come true." Jews and
> > Palestinians are
> > >"regressing to superstitious tribalism... War
> > appears an unavoidable
> > >fate," an "evil colonial" war. After Israel's
> > invasion of the refugee
> > >camps this year his colleague Ze'ev Sternhell wrote
> > that "In colonial
> > >Israel...human life is cheap." The leadership is
> > "no longer ashamed to
> > >speak of war when what they are really engaged in
> > is colonial policing,
> > >which recalls the takeover by the white police of
> > the poor neighborhoods
> > >of the blacks in South Africa during the apartheid
> > era." Both stress the
> > >obvious: there is no symmetry between the
> > "ethno-national groups"
> > >regressing to tribalism. The conflict is centered
> > in territories that
> > >have been under harsh military occupation for 35
> > years. The conqueror is
> > >a major military power, acting with massive
> > military, economic and
> > >diplomatic support from the global superpower. Its
> > subjects are alone
> > >and defenseless, many barely surviving in miserable
> > camps, currently
> > >suffering even more brutal terror of a kind
> > familiar in "evil colonial
> > >wars" and now carrying out terrible atrocities of
> > their own in revenge.
> > >
> > >
> > >The Oslo "peace process" changed the modalities of
> > the occupation, but
> > >not the basic concept. Shortly before joining the
> > Ehud Barak government,
> > >historian Shlomo Ben-Ami wrote that "the Oslo
> > agreements were founded on
> > >a neo-colonialist basis, on a life of dependence of
> > one on the other
> > >forever." He soon became an architect of the US-
> > Israel proposals at
> > >Camp David in Summer 2000, which kept to this
> > condition. These were
> > >highly praised in US commentary. The Palestinians
> > and their evil leader
> > >were blamed for their failure and the subsequent
> > violence. But that is
> > >outright "fraud," as Kimmerling reported, along
> > with all other serious
> > >commentators.
> > >
> > >
> > >True, Clinton-Barak advanced a few steps towards a
> > Bantustan-style
> > >settlement. Just prior to Camp David, West Bank
> > Palestinians were
> > >confined to over 200 scattered areas, and
> > Clinton-Barak did propose an
> > >improvement: consolidation to three cantons, under
> > Israeli control,
> > >virtually separated from one another and from the
> > fourth enclave, a
> > >small area of East Jerusalem, the center of
> > Palestinian life and of
> > >communications in the region. In the fifth canton,
> > Gaza, the outcome was
> > >left unclear except that the population were also
> > to remain virtually
> > >imprisoned. It is understandable that maps are not
> > to be found in the US
> > >mainstream, or any of the details of the proposals.
> > >
> > >
> > >No one can seriously doubt that the US role will
> > continue to be
> > >decisive. It is therefore of crucial importance to
> > understand what that
> > >role has been, and how it is internally perceived.
> > The version of the
> > >doves is presented by the editors of the NY Times
> > (7 April), praising
> > >the President's "path-breaking speech" and the
> > "emerging vision" he
> > >articulated. Its first element is "ending
> > Palestinian terrorism,"
> > >immediately. Some time later comes "freezing, then
> > rolling back, Jewish
> > >settlements and negotiating new borders" to end the
> > occupation and allow
> > >the establishment of a Palestinian state. If
> > Palestinian terror ends,
> > >Israelis will be encouraged to "take the Arab
> > League's historic offer of
> > >full peace and recognition in exchange for an
> > Israeli withdrawal more
> > >seriously." But first Palestinian leaders must
> > demonstrate that they are
> > >"legitimate diplomatic partners."
> > >
> > >
> > >The real world has little resemblance to this
> > self-serving portrayal -
> > >- virtually copied from the 1980s, when the US and
> > Israel were
> > >desperately seeking to evade PLO offers of
> > negotiation and political
> > >settlement while keeping to the demand that there
> > will be no
> > >negotiations with the PLO, no "additional
> > Palestinian state..." (Jordan
> > >already being a Palestinian state), and "no change
> > in the status of
> > >Judea, Samaria and Gaza other than in accordance
> > with the basic
> > >guidelines of the [Israeli] Government" (the May
> > 1989 Peres- Shamir
> > >coalition plan, endorsed by Bush I in the Baker
> > plan of Dec. 1989). All
> > >of this remained unpublished in the US mainstream,
> > as regularly before,
> > >while commentary denounced the Palestinians for
> > their single-minded
> > >commitment to terror, undermining the humanistic
> > endeavors of the US and
> > >its allies.
> > >
> > >
> > >In the real world, the primary barrier to the
> > "emerging vision" has
> > >been, and remains, unilateral US rejectionism.
> > There is little new in
> > >the "Arab League's historic offer." It repeats the
> > basic terms of a
> > >Security Council Resolution of January 1976 backed
> > by virtually the
> > >entire world, including the leading Arab states,
> > the PLO, Europe, the
> > >Soviet bloc -- in fact, everyone who mattered. It
> > was opposed by Israel
> > >and vetoed by the US, thereby vetoing it from
> > history. The Resolution
> > >called for a political settlement on the
> > internationally- recognized
> > >borders "with appropriate arrangements...to
> > guarantee...the sovereignty,
> > >territorial integrity, and political independence
> > of all states in the
> > >area and their right to live in peace within secure
> > and recognized
> > >borders" -- in effect, a modification of UN 242 (as
> > officially
> > >interpreted by the US as well), amplified to
> > include a Palestinian
> > >state. Similar initiatives from the Arab states,
> > the PLO, and Europe
> > >have since been blocked by the US and mostly
> > suppressed or denied in
> > >public commentary.
> > >
> > >
> > >US rejectionism goes back 5 years earlier, to
> > February 1971, when
> > >President Sadat of Egypt offered Israel a full
> > peace treaty in return
> > >for Israeli withdrawal from Egyptian territory,
> > with no mention of
> > >Palestinian national rights or the fate of the
> > other occupied
> > >territories. Israel's Labor government recognized
> > this to be a genuine
> > >peace offer, but rejected it, intending to extend
> > its settlements to
> > >northeastern Sinai; that it soon did, with extreme
> > brutality, the
> > >immediate cause for the 1973 war. Israel and the US
> > understood that
> > >peace was possible in accord with official US
> > policy. But as Labor Party
> > >leader Ezer Weizmann (later President) explained,
> > that
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
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resort to. This is a total red herring; opposition to the occupation is
not anti-Semitic. It is not even anti-Israeli. On the contrary, what
Sharon is doing to the Palestinian people is a disgrace to the memory of
the holocaust. You should be ashamed of yourself for prostituting the
memory of the holocaust to defend the ethnocidal policies of
Sharon. Please check some of the following sites (all Jewish groups
against the occupation).
http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
http://www.nimn.org/ (Not In My Name)
http://www.btselem.org/ (B'tselem - The Israeli Information Center for
Human Rights in the Occupied Territories)
http://www.icahd.org/eng/ (Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions)
http://www.newprofile.org/english/ (New Profile - Movement for the
Civil-ization of Israeli Society)
At 02:32 AM 4/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Im sure most of you girls think Hitler was a cute guy.
>--- Stephen Bean <sbean@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Jim,
> > Apologies for the long e-mail, but I thought you
> > might be interested in Noam
> > Chomskys recent article.
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > >US-Israel-Palestine
> > >by Noam Chomsky
> > >Red Pepper, May 2002
> > >April 11, 2002
> > >
> > >ZNet Top
> > >
> > >MIDEAST WATCH
> > >
> > >
> > >A year ago, Hebrew University sociologist Baruch
> > Kimmerling observed
> > >that "What we feared has come true." Jews and
> > Palestinians are
> > >"regressing to superstitious tribalism... War
> > appears an unavoidable
> > >fate," an "evil colonial" war. After Israel's
> > invasion of the refugee
> > >camps this year his colleague Ze'ev Sternhell wrote
> > that "In colonial
> > >Israel...human life is cheap." The leadership is
> > "no longer ashamed to
> > >speak of war when what they are really engaged in
> > is colonial policing,
> > >which recalls the takeover by the white police of
> > the poor neighborhoods
> > >of the blacks in South Africa during the apartheid
> > era." Both stress the
> > >obvious: there is no symmetry between the
> > "ethno-national groups"
> > >regressing to tribalism. The conflict is centered
> > in territories that
> > >have been under harsh military occupation for 35
> > years. The conqueror is
> > >a major military power, acting with massive
> > military, economic and
> > >diplomatic support from the global superpower. Its
> > subjects are alone
> > >and defenseless, many barely surviving in miserable
> > camps, currently
> > >suffering even more brutal terror of a kind
> > familiar in "evil colonial
> > >wars" and now carrying out terrible atrocities of
> > their own in revenge.
> > >
> > >
> > >The Oslo "peace process" changed the modalities of
> > the occupation, but
> > >not the basic concept. Shortly before joining the
> > Ehud Barak government,
> > >historian Shlomo Ben-Ami wrote that "the Oslo
> > agreements were founded on
> > >a neo-colonialist basis, on a life of dependence of
> > one on the other
> > >forever." He soon became an architect of the US-
> > Israel proposals at
> > >Camp David in Summer 2000, which kept to this
> > condition. These were
> > >highly praised in US commentary. The Palestinians
> > and their evil leader
> > >were blamed for their failure and the subsequent
> > violence. But that is
> > >outright "fraud," as Kimmerling reported, along
> > with all other serious
> > >commentators.
> > >
> > >
> > >True, Clinton-Barak advanced a few steps towards a
> > Bantustan-style
> > >settlement. Just prior to Camp David, West Bank
> > Palestinians were
> > >confined to over 200 scattered areas, and
> > Clinton-Barak did propose an
> > >improvement: consolidation to three cantons, under
> > Israeli control,
> > >virtually separated from one another and from the
> > fourth enclave, a
> > >small area of East Jerusalem, the center of
> > Palestinian life and of
> > >communications in the region. In the fifth canton,
> > Gaza, the outcome was
> > >left unclear except that the population were also
> > to remain virtually
> > >imprisoned. It is understandable that maps are not
> > to be found in the US
> > >mainstream, or any of the details of the proposals.
> > >
> > >
> > >No one can seriously doubt that the US role will
> > continue to be
> > >decisive. It is therefore of crucial importance to
> > understand what that
> > >role has been, and how it is internally perceived.
> > The version of the
> > >doves is presented by the editors of the NY Times
> > (7 April), praising
> > >the President's "path-breaking speech" and the
> > "emerging vision" he
> > >articulated. Its first element is "ending
> > Palestinian terrorism,"
> > >immediately. Some time later comes "freezing, then
> > rolling back, Jewish
> > >settlements and negotiating new borders" to end the
> > occupation and allow
> > >the establishment of a Palestinian state. If
> > Palestinian terror ends,
> > >Israelis will be encouraged to "take the Arab
> > League's historic offer of
> > >full peace and recognition in exchange for an
> > Israeli withdrawal more
> > >seriously." But first Palestinian leaders must
> > demonstrate that they are
> > >"legitimate diplomatic partners."
> > >
> > >
> > >The real world has little resemblance to this
> > self-serving portrayal -
> > >- virtually copied from the 1980s, when the US and
> > Israel were
> > >desperately seeking to evade PLO offers of
> > negotiation and political
> > >settlement while keeping to the demand that there
> > will be no
> > >negotiations with the PLO, no "additional
> > Palestinian state..." (Jordan
> > >already being a Palestinian state), and "no change
> > in the status of
> > >Judea, Samaria and Gaza other than in accordance
> > with the basic
> > >guidelines of the [Israeli] Government" (the May
> > 1989 Peres- Shamir
> > >coalition plan, endorsed by Bush I in the Baker
> > plan of Dec. 1989). All
> > >of this remained unpublished in the US mainstream,
> > as regularly before,
> > >while commentary denounced the Palestinians for
> > their single-minded
> > >commitment to terror, undermining the humanistic
> > endeavors of the US and
> > >its allies.
> > >
> > >
> > >In the real world, the primary barrier to the
> > "emerging vision" has
> > >been, and remains, unilateral US rejectionism.
> > There is little new in
> > >the "Arab League's historic offer." It repeats the
> > basic terms of a
> > >Security Council Resolution of January 1976 backed
> > by virtually the
> > >entire world, including the leading Arab states,
> > the PLO, Europe, the
> > >Soviet bloc -- in fact, everyone who mattered. It
> > was opposed by Israel
> > >and vetoed by the US, thereby vetoing it from
> > history. The Resolution
> > >called for a political settlement on the
> > internationally- recognized
> > >borders "with appropriate arrangements...to
> > guarantee...the sovereignty,
> > >territorial integrity, and political independence
> > of all states in the
> > >area and their right to live in peace within secure
> > and recognized
> > >borders" -- in effect, a modification of UN 242 (as
> > officially
> > >interpreted by the US as well), amplified to
> > include a Palestinian
> > >state. Similar initiatives from the Arab states,
> > the PLO, and Europe
> > >have since been blocked by the US and mostly
> > suppressed or denied in
> > >public commentary.
> > >
> > >
> > >US rejectionism goes back 5 years earlier, to
> > February 1971, when
> > >President Sadat of Egypt offered Israel a full
> > peace treaty in return
> > >for Israeli withdrawal from Egyptian territory,
> > with no mention of
> > >Palestinian national rights or the fate of the
> > other occupied
> > >territories. Israel's Labor government recognized
> > this to be a genuine
> > >peace offer, but rejected it, intending to extend
> > its settlements to
> > >northeastern Sinai; that it soon did, with extreme
> > brutality, the
> > >immediate cause for the 1973 war. Israel and the US
> > understood that
> > >peace was possible in accord with official US
> > policy. But as Labor Party
> > >leader Ezer Weizmann (later President) explained,
> > that
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
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