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Dear Mal-odour(or just plain stinky stink!). Of course I know you are alluding to Mister Isadore (och there goes my orthography and my runs ons are about to turn into the runs the logorehhea of my diarehea) Ducasse author of the highblown rhetorical texts known as the Chants of... etc.. a terrible wee book in my humble and humbling perspective. So, as for the rest of your tit for tat rumblebumble attacks on me well!: here for one you misread as usual: I say that slaves are at least in part, if not all, responsible for their status. Second, does that sound much different from what Fanon has said in his legendary books? The oppressed must speak up. If they do not speak up , is it the fault of the Masters?? In other words dear laddy-lad if Mrs. M. Thatcher was Primer Minister again tomorrow whose fault would that be? We destroy ourselves and bring our own oppression about because we are in division my dear malodorous stinky friend: our interests and desires collide and conflict each everyday of our dilly dally dull lives. Left hand dont do what right hand commands. You dig?? You see in the west that is called being a fool; in the east, the nonmonotheistic east we dont have such pressing dualisms to heed by. So no, dear one I dont think every single arab Mickey and Minnie is responsible for the brutal and violent regimes in the arab world; I dont think the little gal and guy living near the Tigris Euphrates is responsible for Saddam Hussein being in power at all. In fact ninnypoo I never said that. I said that arab dictators got there by virtue of several things: One their own ruthless drive to power; 2: I also happen to believe the history of Islam is a violent and conquering one and that Islam is no more morally upright than any other victorius (oops watch that spelling Elm!!) world thrusting power; I also (3) that Islam wiped out the great polytheistic feminine religions of yore a la Sheba and others -- well detailed in the Satanic Verses on a fictional level for instance -- and that this drive to phallocratic assertion is a male thing; this thesis is not unusal and many feminists thinkers might agree; I think that the peoples of the Middle East were a long time ago less in the mind for adoring One God until Judaism Christianity and Islam came along. I think these three world-religions are stinky pooh. I suspect that ( I am way off here and into points 3,4,5, etc...) perhaps if they had not been the dominant forces of western history combined with the greek and roman minds of the Mediterranean basin we might find ourselves a tad more peaceful and supple: But then the west would holler: What about Bach? and Mister Shakespeare? And I would retort, what about them? and what about that miserable maniac Count Lautreamont? and his horribel prose sandwhichs? these diatribes by an isolated french maniac written in 19 th c. France? O Kali Mama Protect me from the Fiends of Western googaga. Give me a god I carry to the door when I leave and a goddess I can sleep with when snoozing! A portable libido to invest my weary time with. Of course mister Freud is all divine divested. I would say I Prefer to be called Eldorra of Finnegans Wake. That to me is a nonwestern work. Now about our friends the Palestinians. well I just happen to think they are brave and way ahead of their brothers and sisters in the Arabic world. I suspect that their recent adherence to a religious edge is a result of not having the opportunity to be secular in a manner that permits them choices: I dont imagine they have much time to even consider these matters esp. the 12 year old kids who fight with rocks and pebbles and so on. However I think their corrupt leader is the man to blame: but then someone might say No, he hath no choice. I say he does. Take off your hat Mister Arafat. For instance last week when he was let out of his 'headquarters' and the Kids were all there cheering saying we Will all die and be Martyrs I think it was HIS RESPONSIBILITY to say to the Kids No Kids this cannot be: You must live in Joy and find the true path to liberty: HaD he done that he would have been a Moral Leader as a sleazy politican leaping from one crisis to another; I mention Mandela and Martin Luther King as instances of moral victory and political power combined: Arafat had many times the choice to make a bold step into the direction of peace: I am thinking of the early Intifata: I used to think: Hey why dont he just give up and go to the them Israelies and say: Here Am I: I surrender: take me I am thy prisoner: But no, the Bimbo went for the big rhetoric of the arab lingo and he went and supported Saddam Hussein and his mother of all battles babble and high flown and most dangerous to the Iraqui people war; Who paid for that war? The Iraq people did: and one could say now that the Palestinian people are also paying for Mister FatCatArafat'S dummy mistakes: This guy Arafat he banned Mister Edward Said'S books. Has Mister Arafat ever read Mister Said? Has Mister Arafat ever read Israel Shamir or Noam Chomsky? I doubt, I doubt he has done so more than Mister Bloody Sharon shame be on his name for ever. So if these bums are not accountable for their peoples then the people must be accountable and must say Nay: It is not the leader who is responsible for the failure of the people to take their liberty and rise up and revolt. There is a German analyst named W. Reich: he hath a book called: The Mass Psychology of Fascism (or some such title) and in that book he says: It is not that people steal or break laws that is surprising , it is that they do not steal bread and break laws that is surprising. He also says in another passage of this book: "AFTER CENTURIES OF EXPLOITATION, WHY DO PEOPLE STILL TOLERATE BEING HUMILATED AND ENSLAVED, TO SUCH A POINT, INDEED,
THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT HUMILATION AND SLAVERY NOT ONLY FOR OTHERS BUT FOR THEMSELVES?. REICH IS AT HIS PROFOUNDEST WHEN as a thinker when he refuses to accept ignorance or illusion on the part of the masses as an explanation of fascism, and Demands
AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL TAKE THEIR DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT, an explanation formulated in terms of desire:
NO, the masses were not innocent dupes; at a certain Point, under a Certain Set of conditions
, they wanted fascism, and it is This Perversion of the desire of the masses that needs to be accounted for." So this is the painful truth that all peoples need to examine: how does one account for the fascistic desires of the mass the herd the crowd?? I speculate that this desire is partially the result of the conquest of the World (almost thank goody Krishna) by western powers and ideas and technocracies etc. So now: we must find another way of thinking of these problematos. In Indian thought there is a way to account for this as there is Eastern thought: the left side of the self and the right side are at war; we are puppets of desire; Desire is the war; we are the selves incarnated to act this out:a kalpa is one million years; a war is a mere wink in the eyes of the goddess of war and so Maya is what makes us believe it: we believe in territory and land and war and peace and all of these dastardly dualities destroy us with earthshattering forces of violence and shoch and F16s and helicopters and bullets and mothers dying giving birth at checkpoints and in the minds of those who died at the disco in Tel Aviv there is nothing but hatred and blood dusty limbs scatterd and hatred and memories of the holocaust and the images of Rwanda and Bosnia and Cambodia are exploding across their minds and the soldier guard is a madman too a player in a bit part movie called the western world and its atrocities which fire on and on and fire and burn and slaughter: there is no end to that hatred caused and built by desire which has no map and no shelter; do you think there is an answer with the stinky Chants of Maldoror? or the western bible and its myths of progenesis and violence and exile?? Where cometh Gilgamesh and the ancient gods and goddesses of the Middle East and their combined loves with the Bindu of the Far East and The Tao of flow of China? Wherefore the flattened horizontal oligarchies of the Chinese caste and Indian caste systems?? I know not the replies: but something slips into my little mind and Saith: In the east is a rhetoric that knows better because we are teeming in the Billions and In Africa there is also something called Non Western which hath a reply not vengeful and rational cold dead extermination camps of Russia Germany and WW2 and your wester world which by 1967 had already massacred 100,000,000 million peoples in their wars: And even Mao had come by his great march with war weapons of the west. Hmmm big questions and delires to ponder dream on and dread the concept of its outcome: who invented the atomic bomb? The west. So there is mad desire that wishes to despot and destroy itself and who sells them the oil; saudi arabia and who takes the cash and spends it on destroying their own people; rich arabs who are muslim; therefore the people of those countries are the ones who must kick off the dull torpor of their already dead tyrants.If not they, who else then?? To quote a rabbi: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? I am a Jew who lives in India in the body of the man and woman child I was born. There is no river beside me that has the truth of the west. Send me a Sufi: Here is a tale: One night the Famous Sufi master came home to find a burglar had entered his chambers and was(had) filling(ed) a sack with all his most valuable possessions; the Master was not heard by the thief in the night; he crept behind him slippered feet light over the floor and began to help the crook load the bag: at first the crooked man did not note this; a few moments afterwards he realized the Sufi was there and he turned in fear and saith to him: What are you doing? Don't you realize I am robbing you? And the Ruddin said, Robbing me, I thought we were moving.
Eldorra the 12 year old boy crying Baba Baba my life is at end: I go to Allah now to sweet mysteries of the halls of love and the scent of prayer and happiness. In heaven we are at peace. I am okay in Allah's breast when Allah marries Vishnu She the old goddess returns to Kiss Allah in her arms and the widow of Muhammed has made pleasure his goal and not war; she also marries many and not one; Eldorra of Mitchell in the sands of Arabia and the cult of the Goddess across the sea to India and the spice trading paths; the old mountains of Afghanistan destroyed by the western imperial bombers; men who fly with no pain to ravage and waste the terrains of evil and good below; Eldorra who cries on videos replayed a billion times; but the children of Cambodia were also the ones of Eldorra: what does Kurtz say: they cut off the arms of the ones we had given the vaccine to; that was horror; the horror, the Ouroborous of desire and its monstrous shield infectios contagion of penetration and the thousand arms of mutilation. Kali the thinker thunder goddess who spits out Pallas Athena her subsister not barely able to carry out her duties to some trade god around the Mediterranean basis; and the Philistines invading Gaze (the bride of the Arabs) and the land of Canaan is cursed with refuse and blood with olives born of blood tiding the circus lands of fertile crescents and Dogon the fish god who eats the children of rice; and the Millions of Chinamen copulating bumbs bounding higher than all the william blakes of london and its mad visionaries of flight and stoic pretenders to the throne of god; god the character in a grammar movie in the west; its Phoenician phonetic boredome having reached its end now over the book finished with its dead grammars of livning and dead; Jesus our Krishna of the west without a cock a doodle doo where are you in the Easter bloody nightmare of this April is the cruelest month bloody rose of Sharon and the camps reopening and the babies beaten and the disks destroyed and the Bank of Palestine plundered and the Nigerians in prison beaten tortured and humilated.: And my Papa Genet in Algeria Morroco and Palestine: yes Palestine is part of India did not you know? Did not you know that Palestine is the daughter of India?
Finally one final funamble finale wordy word: if you wish to write me off list and I think it apt to reply in public please understand I am a public episteme and not a private type.
Yours Elm.
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<P>Dear Mal-odour(or just plain stinky stink!). Of course I know you are alluding to Mister Isadore (och there goes my orthography and my runs ons are about to turn into the runs the logorehhea of my diarehea) Ducasse author of the highblown rhetorical texts known as the Chants of... etc.. a terrible wee book in my humble and humbling perspective. So, as for the rest of your tit for tat rumblebumble attacks on me well!: here for one you misread as usual: I say that slaves are at least in part, if not all, responsible for their status. Second, does that sound much different from what Fanon has said in his legendary books? The oppressed must speak up. If they do not speak up , is it the fault of the Masters?? In other words dear laddy-lad if Mrs. M. Thatcher was Primer Minister again tomorrow whose fault would that be? We destroy ourselves and bring our own oppression about because we are in division my dear malodorous stinky friend: our interests and desires collide and conflict each everyday of our dilly dally dull lives. Left hand dont do what right hand commands. You dig??<IMG src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/y.gif";> You see in the west that is called being a fool; in the east, the nonmonotheistic east we dont have such pressing dualisms to heed by. So no, dear one I dont think every single arab Mickey and Minnie is responsible for the brutal and violent regimes in the arab world; I dont think the little gal and guy living near the Tigris Euphrates is responsible for Saddam Hussein being in power at all. In fact ninnypoo I never said that. I said that arab dictators got there by virtue of several things: One their own ruthless drive to power; 2: I also happen to believe the history of Islam is a violent and conquering one and that Islam is no more morally upright than any other victorius (oops watch that spelling Elm!!) world thrusting power; I also (3) that Islam wiped out the great polytheistic feminine religions of yore a la Sheba and others -- well detailed in the Satanic Verses on a fictional level for instance -- and that this drive to phallocratic assertion is a male thing; this thesis is not unusal and many feminists thinkers might agree; I think that the peoples of the Middle East were a long time ago less in the mind for adoring One God until Judaism Christianity and Islam came along. I think these three world-religions are stinky pooh. I suspect that ( I am way off here and into points 3,4,5, etc...) perhaps if they had not been the dominant forces of western history combined with the greek and roman minds of the Mediterranean basin we might find ourselves a tad more peaceful and supple: But then the west would holler: What about Bach? and Mister Shakespeare? And I would retort, what about them? and what about that miserable maniac Count Lautreamont? and his horribel prose sandwhichs? these diatribes by an isolated french maniac written in 19 th c. France? O Kali Mama Protect me from the Fiends of Western googaga. Give me a god I carry to the door when I leave and a goddess I can sleep with when snoozing! A portable libido to invest my weary time with. Of course mister Freud is all divine divested. I would say I Prefer to be called Eldorra of Finnegans Wake. That to me is a nonwestern work. Now about our friends the Palestinians. well I just happen to think they are brave and way ahead of their brothers and sisters in the Arabic world. I suspect that their recent adherence to a religious edge is a result of not having the opportunity to be secular in a manner that permits them choices: I dont imagine they have much time to even consider these matters esp. the 12 year old kids who fight with rocks and pebbles and so on. However I think their corrupt leader is the man to blame: but then someone might say No, he hath no choice. I say he does. Take off your hat Mister Arafat. For instance last week when he was let out of his 'headquarters' and the Kids were all there cheering saying we Will all die and be Martyrs I think it was HIS RESPONSIBILITY to say to the Kids No Kids this cannot be: You must live in Joy and find the true path to liberty: HaD he done that he would have been a Moral Leader as a sleazy politican leaping from one crisis to another; I mention Mandela and Martin Luther King as instances of moral victory and political power combined: Arafat had many times the choice to make a bold step into the direction of peace: I am thinking of the early Intifata: I used to think: Hey why dont he just give up and go to the them Israelies and say: Here Am I: I surrender: take me I am thy prisoner: But no, the Bimbo went for the big rhetoric of the arab lingo and he went and supported Saddam Hussein and his mother of all battles babble and high flown and most dangerous to the Iraqui people war; Who paid for that war? The Iraq people did: and one could say now that the Palestinian people are also paying for Mister FatCatArafat'S dummy mistakes: This guy Arafat he banned Mister Edward Said'S books. Has Mister Arafat ever read Mister Said? Has Mister Arafat ever read Israel Shamir or Noam Chomsky? I doubt, I doubt he has done so more than Mister Bloody Sharon shame be on his name for ever. So if these bums are not accountable for their peoples then the people must be accountable and must say Nay: It is not the leader who is responsible for the failure of the people to take their liberty and rise up and revolt. There is a German analyst named W. Reich: he hath a book called: The Mass Psychology of Fascism (or some such title) and in that book he says: It is not that people steal or break laws that is surprising , it is that they do not steal bread and break laws that is surprising. He also says in another passage of this book: "AFTER CENTURIES OF EXPLOITATION, WHY DO PEOPLE STILL TOLERATE BEING HUMILATED AND ENSLAVED, TO SUCH A POINT, INDEED,
<P>THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT HUMILATION AND SLAVERY NOT ONLY FOR OTHERS BUT FOR THEMSELVES?. REICH IS AT HIS PROFOUNDEST WHEN as a thinker when he refuses to accept ignorance or illusion on the part of the masses as an explanation of fascism, and Demands
<P>AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL TAKE THEIR DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT, an explanation formulated in terms of desire:
<P>NO, the masses were not innocent dupes; at a certain Point, under a Certain Set of conditions
<P>, they wanted fascism, and it is This Perversion of the desire of the masses that needs to be accounted for." So this is the painful truth that all peoples need to examine: how does one account for the fascistic desires of the mass the herd the crowd?? I speculate that this desire is partially the result of the conquest of the World (almost thank goody Krishna) by western powers and ideas and technocracies etc. So now: we must find another way of thinking of these problematos. In Indian thought there is a way to account for this as there is Eastern thought: the left side of the self and the right side are at war; we are puppets of desire; Desire is the war; we are the selves incarnated to act this out:a kalpa is one million years; a war is a mere wink in the eyes of the goddess of war and so Maya is what makes us believe it: we believe in territory and land and war and peace and all of these dastardly dualities destroy us with earthshattering forces of violence and shoch and F16s and helicopters and bullets and mothers dying giving birth at checkpoints and in the minds of those who died at the disco in Tel Aviv there is nothing but hatred and blood dusty limbs scatterd and hatred and memories of the holocaust and the images of Rwanda and Bosnia and Cambodia are exploding across their minds and the soldier guard is a madman too a player in a bit part movie called the western world and its atrocities which fire on and on and fire and burn and slaughter: there is no end to that hatred caused and built by desire which has no map and no shelter; do you think there is an answer with the stinky Chants of Maldoror? or the western bible and its myths of progenesis and violence and exile?? Where cometh Gilgamesh and the ancient gods and goddesses of the Middle East and their combined loves with the Bindu of the Far East and The Tao of flow of China? Wherefore the flattened horizontal oligarchies of the Chinese caste and Indian caste systems?? I know not the replies: but something slips into my little mind and Saith: In the east is a rhetoric that knows better because we are teeming in the Billions and In Africa there is also something called Non Western which hath a reply not vengeful and rational cold dead extermination camps of Russia Germany and WW2 and your wester world which by 1967 had already massacred 100,000,000 million peoples in their wars: And even Mao had come by his great march with war weapons of the west. Hmmm big questions and delires to ponder dream on and dread the concept of its outcome: who invented the atomic bomb? The west. So there is mad desire that wishes to despot and destroy itself and who sells them the oil; saudi arabia and who takes the cash and spends it on destroying their own people; rich arabs who are muslim; therefore the people of those countries are the ones who must kick off the dull torpor of their already dead tyrants.If not they, who else then?? To quote a rabbi: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? I am a Jew who lives in India in the body of the man and woman child I was born. There is no river beside me that has the truth of the west. Send me a Sufi: Here is a tale: One night the Famous Sufi master came home to find a burglar had entered his chambers and was(had) filling(ed) a sack with all his most valuable possessions; the Master was not heard by the thief in the night; he crept behind him slippered feet light over the floor and began to help the crook load the bag: at first the crooked man did not note this; a few moments afterwards he realized the Sufi was there and he turned in fear and saith to him: What are you doing? Don't you realize I am robbing you? And the Ruddin said, Robbing me, I thought we were moving.
<P>Eldorra the 12 year old boy crying Baba Baba my life is at end: I go to Allah now to sweet mysteries of the halls of love and the scent of prayer and happiness. In heaven we are at peace. I am okay in Allah's breast when Allah marries Vishnu She the old goddess returns to Kiss Allah in her arms and the widow of Muhammed has made pleasure his goal and not war; she also marries many and not one; Eldorra of Mitchell in the sands of Arabia and the cult of the Goddess across the sea to India and the spice trading paths; the old mountains of Afghanistan destroyed by the western imperial bombers; men who fly with no pain to ravage and waste the terrains of evil and good below; Eldorra who cries on videos replayed a billion times; but the children of Cambodia were also the ones of Eldorra: what does Kurtz say: they cut off the arms of the ones we had given the vaccine to; that was horror; the horror, the Ouroborous of desire and its monstrous shield infectios contagion of penetration and the thousand arms of mutilation. Kali the thinker thunder goddess who spits out Pallas Athena her subsister not barely able to carry out her duties to some trade god around the Mediterranean basis; and the Philistines invading Gaze (the bride of the Arabs) and the land of Canaan is cursed with refuse and blood with olives born of blood tiding the circus lands of fertile crescents and Dogon the fish god who eats the children of rice; and the Millions of Chinamen copulating bumbs bounding higher than all the william blakes of london and its mad visionaries of flight and stoic pretenders to the throne of god; god the character in a grammar movie in the west; its Phoenician phonetic boredome having reached its end now over the book finished with its dead grammars of livning and dead; Jesus our Krishna of the west without a cock a doodle doo where are you in the Easter bloody nightmare of this April is the cruelest month bloody rose of Sharon and the camps reopening and the babies beaten and the disks destroyed and the Bank of Palestine plundered and the Nigerians in prison beaten tortured and humilated.: And my Papa Genet in Algeria Morroco and Palestine: yes Palestine is part of India did not you know? Did not you know that Palestine is the daughter of India?
<P> Finally one final funamble finale wordy word: if you wish to write me off list and I think it apt to reply in public please understand I am a public episteme and not a private type.
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Dear Mal-odour(or just plain stinky stink!). Of course I know you are alluding to Mister Isadore (och there goes my orthography and my runs ons are about to turn into the runs the logorehhea of my diarehea) Ducasse author of the highblown rhetorical texts known as the Chants of... etc.. a terrible wee book in my humble and humbling perspective. So, as for the rest of your tit for tat rumblebumble attacks on me well!: here for one you misread as usual: I say that slaves are at least in part, if not all, responsible for their status. Second, does that sound much different from what Fanon has said in his legendary books? The oppressed must speak up. If they do not speak up , is it the fault of the Masters?? In other words dear laddy-lad if Mrs. M. Thatcher was Primer Minister again tomorrow whose fault would that be? We destroy ourselves and bring our own oppression about because we are in division my dear malodorous stinky friend: our interests and desires collide and conflict each everyday of our dilly dally dull lives. Left hand dont do what right hand commands. You dig?? You see in the west that is called being a fool; in the east, the nonmonotheistic east we dont have such pressing dualisms to heed by. So no, dear one I dont think every single arab Mickey and Minnie is responsible for the brutal and violent regimes in the arab world; I dont think the little gal and guy living near the Tigris Euphrates is responsible for Saddam Hussein being in power at all. In fact ninnypoo I never said that. I said that arab dictators got there by virtue of several things: One their own ruthless drive to power; 2: I also happen to believe the history of Islam is a violent and conquering one and that Islam is no more morally upright than any other victorius (oops watch that spelling Elm!!) world thrusting power; I also (3) that Islam wiped out the great polytheistic feminine religions of yore a la Sheba and others -- well detailed in the Satanic Verses on a fictional level for instance -- and that this drive to phallocratic assertion is a male thing; this thesis is not unusal and many feminists thinkers might agree; I think that the peoples of the Middle East were a long time ago less in the mind for adoring One God until Judaism Christianity and Islam came along. I think these three world-religions are stinky pooh. I suspect that ( I am way off here and into points 3,4,5, etc...) perhaps if they had not been the dominant forces of western history combined with the greek and roman minds of the Mediterranean basin we might find ourselves a tad more peaceful and supple: But then the west would holler: What about Bach? and Mister Shakespeare? And I would retort, what about them? and what about that miserable maniac Count Lautreamont? and his horribel prose sandwhichs? these diatribes by an isolated french maniac written in 19 th c. France? O Kali Mama Protect me from the Fiends of Western googaga. Give me a god I carry to the door when I leave and a goddess I can sleep with when snoozing! A portable libido to invest my weary time with. Of course mister Freud is all divine divested. I would say I Prefer to be called Eldorra of Finnegans Wake. That to me is a nonwestern work. Now about our friends the Palestinians. well I just happen to think they are brave and way ahead of their brothers and sisters in the Arabic world. I suspect that their recent adherence to a religious edge is a result of not having the opportunity to be secular in a manner that permits them choices: I dont imagine they have much time to even consider these matters esp. the 12 year old kids who fight with rocks and pebbles and so on. However I think their corrupt leader is the man to blame: but then someone might say No, he hath no choice. I say he does. Take off your hat Mister Arafat. For instance last week when he was let out of his 'headquarters' and the Kids were all there cheering saying we Will all die and be Martyrs I think it was HIS RESPONSIBILITY to say to the Kids No Kids this cannot be: You must live in Joy and find the true path to liberty: HaD he done that he would have been a Moral Leader as a sleazy politican leaping from one crisis to another; I mention Mandela and Martin Luther King as instances of moral victory and political power combined: Arafat had many times the choice to make a bold step into the direction of peace: I am thinking of the early Intifata: I used to think: Hey why dont he just give up and go to the them Israelies and say: Here Am I: I surrender: take me I am thy prisoner: But no, the Bimbo went for the big rhetoric of the arab lingo and he went and supported Saddam Hussein and his mother of all battles babble and high flown and most dangerous to the Iraqui people war; Who paid for that war? The Iraq people did: and one could say now that the Palestinian people are also paying for Mister FatCatArafat'S dummy mistakes: This guy Arafat he banned Mister Edward Said'S books. Has Mister Arafat ever read Mister Said? Has Mister Arafat ever read Israel Shamir or Noam Chomsky? I doubt, I doubt he has done so more than Mister Bloody Sharon shame be on his name for ever. So if these bums are not accountable for their peoples then the people must be accountable and must say Nay: It is not the leader who is responsible for the failure of the people to take their liberty and rise up and revolt. There is a German analyst named W. Reich: he hath a book called: The Mass Psychology of Fascism (or some such title) and in that book he says: It is not that people steal or break laws that is surprising , it is that they do not steal bread and break laws that is surprising. He also says in another passage of this book: "AFTER CENTURIES OF EXPLOITATION, WHY DO PEOPLE STILL TOLERATE BEING HUMILATED AND ENSLAVED, TO SUCH A POINT, INDEED,
THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT HUMILATION AND SLAVERY NOT ONLY FOR OTHERS BUT FOR THEMSELVES?. REICH IS AT HIS PROFOUNDEST WHEN as a thinker when he refuses to accept ignorance or illusion on the part of the masses as an explanation of fascism, and Demands
AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL TAKE THEIR DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT, an explanation formulated in terms of desire:
NO, the masses were not innocent dupes; at a certain Point, under a Certain Set of conditions
, they wanted fascism, and it is This Perversion of the desire of the masses that needs to be accounted for." So this is the painful truth that all peoples need to examine: how does one account for the fascistic desires of the mass the herd the crowd?? I speculate that this desire is partially the result of the conquest of the World (almost thank goody Krishna) by western powers and ideas and technocracies etc. So now: we must find another way of thinking of these problematos. In Indian thought there is a way to account for this as there is Eastern thought: the left side of the self and the right side are at war; we are puppets of desire; Desire is the war; we are the selves incarnated to act this out:a kalpa is one million years; a war is a mere wink in the eyes of the goddess of war and so Maya is what makes us believe it: we believe in territory and land and war and peace and all of these dastardly dualities destroy us with earthshattering forces of violence and shoch and F16s and helicopters and bullets and mothers dying giving birth at checkpoints and in the minds of those who died at the disco in Tel Aviv there is nothing but hatred and blood dusty limbs scatterd and hatred and memories of the holocaust and the images of Rwanda and Bosnia and Cambodia are exploding across their minds and the soldier guard is a madman too a player in a bit part movie called the western world and its atrocities which fire on and on and fire and burn and slaughter: there is no end to that hatred caused and built by desire which has no map and no shelter; do you think there is an answer with the stinky Chants of Maldoror? or the western bible and its myths of progenesis and violence and exile?? Where cometh Gilgamesh and the ancient gods and goddesses of the Middle East and their combined loves with the Bindu of the Far East and The Tao of flow of China? Wherefore the flattened horizontal oligarchies of the Chinese caste and Indian caste systems?? I know not the replies: but something slips into my little mind and Saith: In the east is a rhetoric that knows better because we are teeming in the Billions and In Africa there is also something called Non Western which hath a reply not vengeful and rational cold dead extermination camps of Russia Germany and WW2 and your wester world which by 1967 had already massacred 100,000,000 million peoples in their wars: And even Mao had come by his great march with war weapons of the west. Hmmm big questions and delires to ponder dream on and dread the concept of its outcome: who invented the atomic bomb? The west. So there is mad desire that wishes to despot and destroy itself and who sells them the oil; saudi arabia and who takes the cash and spends it on destroying their own people; rich arabs who are muslim; therefore the people of those countries are the ones who must kick off the dull torpor of their already dead tyrants.If not they, who else then?? To quote a rabbi: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? I am a Jew who lives in India in the body of the man and woman child I was born. There is no river beside me that has the truth of the west. Send me a Sufi: Here is a tale: One night the Famous Sufi master came home to find a burglar had entered his chambers and was(had) filling(ed) a sack with all his most valuable possessions; the Master was not heard by the thief in the night; he crept behind him slippered feet light over the floor and began to help the crook load the bag: at first the crooked man did not note this; a few moments afterwards he realized the Sufi was there and he turned in fear and saith to him: What are you doing? Don't you realize I am robbing you? And the Ruddin said, Robbing me, I thought we were moving.
Eldorra the 12 year old boy crying Baba Baba my life is at end: I go to Allah now to sweet mysteries of the halls of love and the scent of prayer and happiness. In heaven we are at peace. I am okay in Allah's breast when Allah marries Vishnu She the old goddess returns to Kiss Allah in her arms and the widow of Muhammed has made pleasure his goal and not war; she also marries many and not one; Eldorra of Mitchell in the sands of Arabia and the cult of the Goddess across the sea to India and the spice trading paths; the old mountains of Afghanistan destroyed by the western imperial bombers; men who fly with no pain to ravage and waste the terrains of evil and good below; Eldorra who cries on videos replayed a billion times; but the children of Cambodia were also the ones of Eldorra: what does Kurtz say: they cut off the arms of the ones we had given the vaccine to; that was horror; the horror, the Ouroborous of desire and its monstrous shield infectios contagion of penetration and the thousand arms of mutilation. Kali the thinker thunder goddess who spits out Pallas Athena her subsister not barely able to carry out her duties to some trade god around the Mediterranean basis; and the Philistines invading Gaze (the bride of the Arabs) and the land of Canaan is cursed with refuse and blood with olives born of blood tiding the circus lands of fertile crescents and Dogon the fish god who eats the children of rice; and the Millions of Chinamen copulating bumbs bounding higher than all the william blakes of london and its mad visionaries of flight and stoic pretenders to the throne of god; god the character in a grammar movie in the west; its Phoenician phonetic boredome having reached its end now over the book finished with its dead grammars of livning and dead; Jesus our Krishna of the west without a cock a doodle doo where are you in the Easter bloody nightmare of this April is the cruelest month bloody rose of Sharon and the camps reopening and the babies beaten and the disks destroyed and the Bank of Palestine plundered and the Nigerians in prison beaten tortured and humilated.: And my Papa Genet in Algeria Morroco and Palestine: yes Palestine is part of India did not you know? Did not you know that Palestine is the daughter of India?
Finally one final funamble finale wordy word: if you wish to write me off list and I think it apt to reply in public please understand I am a public episteme and not a private type.
Yours Elm.
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<P>Dear Mal-odour(or just plain stinky stink!). Of course I know you are alluding to Mister Isadore (och there goes my orthography and my runs ons are about to turn into the runs the logorehhea of my diarehea) Ducasse author of the highblown rhetorical texts known as the Chants of... etc.. a terrible wee book in my humble and humbling perspective. So, as for the rest of your tit for tat rumblebumble attacks on me well!: here for one you misread as usual: I say that slaves are at least in part, if not all, responsible for their status. Second, does that sound much different from what Fanon has said in his legendary books? The oppressed must speak up. If they do not speak up , is it the fault of the Masters?? In other words dear laddy-lad if Mrs. M. Thatcher was Primer Minister again tomorrow whose fault would that be? We destroy ourselves and bring our own oppression about because we are in division my dear malodorous stinky friend: our interests and desires collide and conflict each everyday of our dilly dally dull lives. Left hand dont do what right hand commands. You dig??<IMG src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/y.gif";> You see in the west that is called being a fool; in the east, the nonmonotheistic east we dont have such pressing dualisms to heed by. So no, dear one I dont think every single arab Mickey and Minnie is responsible for the brutal and violent regimes in the arab world; I dont think the little gal and guy living near the Tigris Euphrates is responsible for Saddam Hussein being in power at all. In fact ninnypoo I never said that. I said that arab dictators got there by virtue of several things: One their own ruthless drive to power; 2: I also happen to believe the history of Islam is a violent and conquering one and that Islam is no more morally upright than any other victorius (oops watch that spelling Elm!!) world thrusting power; I also (3) that Islam wiped out the great polytheistic feminine religions of yore a la Sheba and others -- well detailed in the Satanic Verses on a fictional level for instance -- and that this drive to phallocratic assertion is a male thing; this thesis is not unusal and many feminists thinkers might agree; I think that the peoples of the Middle East were a long time ago less in the mind for adoring One God until Judaism Christianity and Islam came along. I think these three world-religions are stinky pooh. I suspect that ( I am way off here and into points 3,4,5, etc...) perhaps if they had not been the dominant forces of western history combined with the greek and roman minds of the Mediterranean basin we might find ourselves a tad more peaceful and supple: But then the west would holler: What about Bach? and Mister Shakespeare? And I would retort, what about them? and what about that miserable maniac Count Lautreamont? and his horribel prose sandwhichs? these diatribes by an isolated french maniac written in 19 th c. France? O Kali Mama Protect me from the Fiends of Western googaga. Give me a god I carry to the door when I leave and a goddess I can sleep with when snoozing! A portable libido to invest my weary time with. Of course mister Freud is all divine divested. I would say I Prefer to be called Eldorra of Finnegans Wake. That to me is a nonwestern work. Now about our friends the Palestinians. well I just happen to think they are brave and way ahead of their brothers and sisters in the Arabic world. I suspect that their recent adherence to a religious edge is a result of not having the opportunity to be secular in a manner that permits them choices: I dont imagine they have much time to even consider these matters esp. the 12 year old kids who fight with rocks and pebbles and so on. However I think their corrupt leader is the man to blame: but then someone might say No, he hath no choice. I say he does. Take off your hat Mister Arafat. For instance last week when he was let out of his 'headquarters' and the Kids were all there cheering saying we Will all die and be Martyrs I think it was HIS RESPONSIBILITY to say to the Kids No Kids this cannot be: You must live in Joy and find the true path to liberty: HaD he done that he would have been a Moral Leader as a sleazy politican leaping from one crisis to another; I mention Mandela and Martin Luther King as instances of moral victory and political power combined: Arafat had many times the choice to make a bold step into the direction of peace: I am thinking of the early Intifata: I used to think: Hey why dont he just give up and go to the them Israelies and say: Here Am I: I surrender: take me I am thy prisoner: But no, the Bimbo went for the big rhetoric of the arab lingo and he went and supported Saddam Hussein and his mother of all battles babble and high flown and most dangerous to the Iraqui people war; Who paid for that war? The Iraq people did: and one could say now that the Palestinian people are also paying for Mister FatCatArafat'S dummy mistakes: This guy Arafat he banned Mister Edward Said'S books. Has Mister Arafat ever read Mister Said? Has Mister Arafat ever read Israel Shamir or Noam Chomsky? I doubt, I doubt he has done so more than Mister Bloody Sharon shame be on his name for ever. So if these bums are not accountable for their peoples then the people must be accountable and must say Nay: It is not the leader who is responsible for the failure of the people to take their liberty and rise up and revolt. There is a German analyst named W. Reich: he hath a book called: The Mass Psychology of Fascism (or some such title) and in that book he says: It is not that people steal or break laws that is surprising , it is that they do not steal bread and break laws that is surprising. He also says in another passage of this book: "AFTER CENTURIES OF EXPLOITATION, WHY DO PEOPLE STILL TOLERATE BEING HUMILATED AND ENSLAVED, TO SUCH A POINT, INDEED,
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<P>THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT HUMILATION AND SLAVERY NOT ONLY FOR OTHERS BUT FOR THEMSELVES?. REICH IS AT HIS PROFOUNDEST WHEN as a thinker when he refuses to accept ignorance or illusion on the part of the masses as an explanation of fascism, and Demands
<P>AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL TAKE THEIR DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT, an explanation formulated in terms of desire:
<P>NO, the masses were not innocent dupes; at a certain Point, under a Certain Set of conditions
<P>, they wanted fascism, and it is This Perversion of the desire of the masses that needs to be accounted for." So this is the painful truth that all peoples need to examine: how does one account for the fascistic desires of the mass the herd the crowd?? I speculate that this desire is partially the result of the conquest of the World (almost thank goody Krishna) by western powers and ideas and technocracies etc. So now: we must find another way of thinking of these problematos. In Indian thought there is a way to account for this as there is Eastern thought: the left side of the self and the right side are at war; we are puppets of desire; Desire is the war; we are the selves incarnated to act this out:a kalpa is one million years; a war is a mere wink in the eyes of the goddess of war and so Maya is what makes us believe it: we believe in territory and land and war and peace and all of these dastardly dualities destroy us with earthshattering forces of violence and shoch and F16s and helicopters and bullets and mothers dying giving birth at checkpoints and in the minds of those who died at the disco in Tel Aviv there is nothing but hatred and blood dusty limbs scatterd and hatred and memories of the holocaust and the images of Rwanda and Bosnia and Cambodia are exploding across their minds and the soldier guard is a madman too a player in a bit part movie called the western world and its atrocities which fire on and on and fire and burn and slaughter: there is no end to that hatred caused and built by desire which has no map and no shelter; do you think there is an answer with the stinky Chants of Maldoror? or the western bible and its myths of progenesis and violence and exile?? Where cometh Gilgamesh and the ancient gods and goddesses of the Middle East and their combined loves with the Bindu of the Far East and The Tao of flow of China? Wherefore the flattened horizontal oligarchies of the Chinese caste and Indian caste systems?? I know not the replies: but something slips into my little mind and Saith: In the east is a rhetoric that knows better because we are teeming in the Billions and In Africa there is also something called Non Western which hath a reply not vengeful and rational cold dead extermination camps of Russia Germany and WW2 and your wester world which by 1967 had already massacred 100,000,000 million peoples in their wars: And even Mao had come by his great march with war weapons of the west. Hmmm big questions and delires to ponder dream on and dread the concept of its outcome: who invented the atomic bomb? The west. So there is mad desire that wishes to despot and destroy itself and who sells them the oil; saudi arabia and who takes the cash and spends it on destroying their own people; rich arabs who are muslim; therefore the people of those countries are the ones who must kick off the dull torpor of their already dead tyrants.If not they, who else then?? To quote a rabbi: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? I am a Jew who lives in India in the body of the man and woman child I was born. There is no river beside me that has the truth of the west. Send me a Sufi: Here is a tale: One night the Famous Sufi master came home to find a burglar had entered his chambers and was(had) filling(ed) a sack with all his most valuable possessions; the Master was not heard by the thief in the night; he crept behind him slippered feet light over the floor and began to help the crook load the bag: at first the crooked man did not note this; a few moments afterwards he realized the Sufi was there and he turned in fear and saith to him: What are you doing? Don't you realize I am robbing you? And the Ruddin said, Robbing me, I thought we were moving.
<P>Eldorra the 12 year old boy crying Baba Baba my life is at end: I go to Allah now to sweet mysteries of the halls of love and the scent of prayer and happiness. In heaven we are at peace. I am okay in Allah's breast when Allah marries Vishnu She the old goddess returns to Kiss Allah in her arms and the widow of Muhammed has made pleasure his goal and not war; she also marries many and not one; Eldorra of Mitchell in the sands of Arabia and the cult of the Goddess across the sea to India and the spice trading paths; the old mountains of Afghanistan destroyed by the western imperial bombers; men who fly with no pain to ravage and waste the terrains of evil and good below; Eldorra who cries on videos replayed a billion times; but the children of Cambodia were also the ones of Eldorra: what does Kurtz say: they cut off the arms of the ones we had given the vaccine to; that was horror; the horror, the Ouroborous of desire and its monstrous shield infectios contagion of penetration and the thousand arms of mutilation. Kali the thinker thunder goddess who spits out Pallas Athena her subsister not barely able to carry out her duties to some trade god around the Mediterranean basis; and the Philistines invading Gaze (the bride of the Arabs) and the land of Canaan is cursed with refuse and blood with olives born of blood tiding the circus lands of fertile crescents and Dogon the fish god who eats the children of rice; and the Millions of Chinamen copulating bumbs bounding higher than all the william blakes of london and its mad visionaries of flight and stoic pretenders to the throne of god; god the character in a grammar movie in the west; its Phoenician phonetic boredome having reached its end now over the book finished with its dead grammars of livning and dead; Jesus our Krishna of the west without a cock a doodle doo where are you in the Easter bloody nightmare of this April is the cruelest month bloody rose of Sharon and the camps reopening and the babies beaten and the disks destroyed and the Bank of Palestine plundered and the Nigerians in prison beaten tortured and humilated.: And my Papa Genet in Algeria Morroco and Palestine: yes Palestine is part of India did not you know? Did not you know that Palestine is the daughter of India?
<P> Finally one final funamble finale wordy word: if you wish to write me off list and I think it apt to reply in public please understand I am a public episteme and not a private type.
<P>Yours Elm.</P><p><hr size=1>
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