Karl to Jon:
Why are you so quick to respond to my suggestion of censorship if
what I say is not true. I have written to you before in private
concerning the mailbombing by the moderators of foucault and their
friends and yet you gave no response until you saw that I was in
communication with another member of the spoon lists. This response
>from you, which was snide and flippant, was concerned more with my
expulsion from the list than with my being mailbombed.
The problem with the email has never happened over all the period in
which I have been hooked up to cyberspace. Yet it just happened to
happen when I was being victimized by you and the spoon collective.
What a coincidence. There is an investigation ongoing into
this matter on my side of the Atlantic.
Just look at the situation. I write my first message to the
foucalult list after being on the foucault list for a week or so
becuase the list was quite active and perhaps worth particpating in.
As soon as my message hits the list there is almost complete silence
on the list for something like a week when it had been quite active.
Consequently I sent a message to sus out why the silence and why no
reply to my message. I get a meesage from ddiane. I reply to
her message in a perfectly correct way and then there are about two or
so more messages between both of us. Then suddenly I am mailbombed.
Several hundered of my few messages together with some others are
bounced back to me. I am told by certain people to get off the list.
This simply makes me more determined. I send a message to Darlene
Sybert exposing succintly and devastatingly the absurdity of her
position concerning her views on subjectivity. She never replies.
Then I find my mail is not being sent out on the foucault list. In
the mean time certain people on this list suggest that i write
privately rather than in public. Then I am told in a snide and
patronising way by Jon Beasley-Murray that I have been expelled.
There is no consultation with me before this expulsion nor
notification in advance and no explanation attached.
I then persist in advertisng my expulsion through cetrtain mailing lists
etc including the foucault list. I am still able to send from the
outsidi mail to this list. At this stage things start to go funny. I
cannot send my email out to either lists or to people privately.
Mail is coming in both privately and through lists but it wont go
out. I then try to use the IRC to get advice and explain to people
what is happening. I manage to make contact and then suddnely I
cannot get through anymore. I try a score or more of ther IRC
providers and they are all inaccessible. It was as if when could see
me getting through the IRC and then cut me off. I then got to the
news groups and just canot get through.
I contact some people who are expert in these areas and both of them
including some others were astonished at this. They were certain
that a member of the Indigo staff, my internet provider, must either
be on the mailing list from which I have been forcibly unsubscribed
or else closely linked to it. Rememeber that I cannot send any mail
out even privately yet on Sunday morning while I had this problem
other people could send mail to me. I know this for a fact.
I contacted Indgo concerning the problem and they were stunned. They
said either it is a bug in my software which, as it transpired, was
not the case or else someone is able to tamper with their accounts
which is then very serious. I had also suggested that a member or
mebers of his staff may be working for this foucault list. He did
not disagree.This Indigo staff member asked me to contact them on
Monday when the manager is present. I had also contacted another
Irish Internet provder before this because the Indigo helpdesk was
not open. Ireland On-Line were certain that it was caused by some
people on the foucault mailing list being inside Indgo, my internet
provider.
Now very shortly, within an hour, after I submitted my complaint to
Indigo the system started working perfectly again. Is that not
very strange?
I am not by nature a supicious person yet wouldn't think this very
strange. I am making a big thing of this because I am fairly
convinced that there something very very rotten in the state of
Dnemark.
My view is that when they could not shut me up my snbide post, by
mailbombing, by unsubbing me, by stoppping me from emailing foucault
>from the outside into foucault they they tried to silence me
completely. However in the process they may screwed up other peoples
systems. In other words a verysophisticated experiment was being
conducted and it backfired.
These people, whoever they are, have a wide contact base and the
resources to go with it. They are people with some influence. I have
a fair idea who they are. However I am not prepared to say at this
stage. I have been receiving advice.
These are rushed statements. I shall be sending out a more elaborate
account of the entire affair in the future if I have not been by then
expelled from other Spoon Lists.
Yours sincerely,
Karl Carlile
> Majordomo was down at Virginia for a while yesterday, which is why some
> emails may not have got through to the l*st.
>
> (Actually, as a technical note for those who understand these things, I
> think it was perl that was down or something; they've been upgrading perl
> from perl 6 to perl 7 or so I semi-understand. Either that or the bin
> directory disappeared, which disabled both perl and majordomo. Don't ask
> me to explain what I myself hardly understand.)
>
> Anyhow...
>
> So this is not at all a matter of censorship; rather a technical
> difficulty. If you have not seen a post of yours appear on the list,
> please try again.
>
> Take care
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Beasley-Murray
> Literature Program
> Duke University
> jpb8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~spoons
>
>
>
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>
>
Yours etc.,
Karl
Why are you so quick to respond to my suggestion of censorship if
what I say is not true. I have written to you before in private
concerning the mailbombing by the moderators of foucault and their
friends and yet you gave no response until you saw that I was in
communication with another member of the spoon lists. This response
>from you, which was snide and flippant, was concerned more with my
expulsion from the list than with my being mailbombed.
The problem with the email has never happened over all the period in
which I have been hooked up to cyberspace. Yet it just happened to
happen when I was being victimized by you and the spoon collective.
What a coincidence. There is an investigation ongoing into
this matter on my side of the Atlantic.
Just look at the situation. I write my first message to the
foucalult list after being on the foucault list for a week or so
becuase the list was quite active and perhaps worth particpating in.
As soon as my message hits the list there is almost complete silence
on the list for something like a week when it had been quite active.
Consequently I sent a message to sus out why the silence and why no
reply to my message. I get a meesage from ddiane. I reply to
her message in a perfectly correct way and then there are about two or
so more messages between both of us. Then suddenly I am mailbombed.
Several hundered of my few messages together with some others are
bounced back to me. I am told by certain people to get off the list.
This simply makes me more determined. I send a message to Darlene
Sybert exposing succintly and devastatingly the absurdity of her
position concerning her views on subjectivity. She never replies.
Then I find my mail is not being sent out on the foucault list. In
the mean time certain people on this list suggest that i write
privately rather than in public. Then I am told in a snide and
patronising way by Jon Beasley-Murray that I have been expelled.
There is no consultation with me before this expulsion nor
notification in advance and no explanation attached.
I then persist in advertisng my expulsion through cetrtain mailing lists
etc including the foucault list. I am still able to send from the
outsidi mail to this list. At this stage things start to go funny. I
cannot send my email out to either lists or to people privately.
Mail is coming in both privately and through lists but it wont go
out. I then try to use the IRC to get advice and explain to people
what is happening. I manage to make contact and then suddnely I
cannot get through anymore. I try a score or more of ther IRC
providers and they are all inaccessible. It was as if when could see
me getting through the IRC and then cut me off. I then got to the
news groups and just canot get through.
I contact some people who are expert in these areas and both of them
including some others were astonished at this. They were certain
that a member of the Indigo staff, my internet provider, must either
be on the mailing list from which I have been forcibly unsubscribed
or else closely linked to it. Rememeber that I cannot send any mail
out even privately yet on Sunday morning while I had this problem
other people could send mail to me. I know this for a fact.
I contacted Indgo concerning the problem and they were stunned. They
said either it is a bug in my software which, as it transpired, was
not the case or else someone is able to tamper with their accounts
which is then very serious. I had also suggested that a member or
mebers of his staff may be working for this foucault list. He did
not disagree.This Indigo staff member asked me to contact them on
Monday when the manager is present. I had also contacted another
Irish Internet provder before this because the Indigo helpdesk was
not open. Ireland On-Line were certain that it was caused by some
people on the foucault mailing list being inside Indgo, my internet
provider.
Now very shortly, within an hour, after I submitted my complaint to
Indigo the system started working perfectly again. Is that not
very strange?
I am not by nature a supicious person yet wouldn't think this very
strange. I am making a big thing of this because I am fairly
convinced that there something very very rotten in the state of
Dnemark.
My view is that when they could not shut me up my snbide post, by
mailbombing, by unsubbing me, by stoppping me from emailing foucault
>from the outside into foucault they they tried to silence me
completely. However in the process they may screwed up other peoples
systems. In other words a verysophisticated experiment was being
conducted and it backfired.
These people, whoever they are, have a wide contact base and the
resources to go with it. They are people with some influence. I have
a fair idea who they are. However I am not prepared to say at this
stage. I have been receiving advice.
These are rushed statements. I shall be sending out a more elaborate
account of the entire affair in the future if I have not been by then
expelled from other Spoon Lists.
Yours sincerely,
Karl Carlile
> Majordomo was down at Virginia for a while yesterday, which is why some
> emails may not have got through to the l*st.
>
> (Actually, as a technical note for those who understand these things, I
> think it was perl that was down or something; they've been upgrading perl
> from perl 6 to perl 7 or so I semi-understand. Either that or the bin
> directory disappeared, which disabled both perl and majordomo. Don't ask
> me to explain what I myself hardly understand.)
>
> Anyhow...
>
> So this is not at all a matter of censorship; rather a technical
> difficulty. If you have not seen a post of yours appear on the list,
> please try again.
>
> Take care
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Beasley-Murray
> Literature Program
> Duke University
> jpb8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~spoons
>
>
>
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>
>
Yours etc.,
Karl