On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 Vunch@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Wait, Habermas claims that in our 'totally administered society' (to borrow
> Adorno's phrase) there is a clash between strategic action including strategic
> linguistic action as systematically distorted and perlocutionary, and
> communicative action when language is justified through validity claims. I
> don't think Habermas means to say that coordination exists without the
> subjects intersubjective coordinating activity. Administered activity or
> strategic action when actors and speakers manipulate each other is not
> coordination, rather it is a form of steering.
Well ... at p. 101 of the first volume of the Theory of Communicative
Action, Habermas writes: "Concepts of social action are distinguished ...
according to how they specify the coordination among the goal-directed
actions of different participants: as the interlacing of egocentric
calculations of utility ... ; as a socially integrating agreement about
values and norms instilled through cultural tradition and socialization;
as a consensual relation between players and their publics; or as reaching
understanding in the sense of a cooperative process of interpretation."
So, there at least for Habermas coordination is something that can be
achieved through strategic action. Perhaps he uses the word differently
elsewhere.... A matter of semantics, but when dealing with someone like
Habermas, semantics can be important.... Anyway, if you want to pursue
this further, maybe we should take it off the list.
----Matthew A. King------Department of Philosophy------McMaster University----
"The border is often narrow between a permanent temptation to commit
suicide and the birth of a certain form of political consciousness."
-----------------------------(Michel Foucault)--------------------------------
> Wait, Habermas claims that in our 'totally administered society' (to borrow
> Adorno's phrase) there is a clash between strategic action including strategic
> linguistic action as systematically distorted and perlocutionary, and
> communicative action when language is justified through validity claims. I
> don't think Habermas means to say that coordination exists without the
> subjects intersubjective coordinating activity. Administered activity or
> strategic action when actors and speakers manipulate each other is not
> coordination, rather it is a form of steering.
Well ... at p. 101 of the first volume of the Theory of Communicative
Action, Habermas writes: "Concepts of social action are distinguished ...
according to how they specify the coordination among the goal-directed
actions of different participants: as the interlacing of egocentric
calculations of utility ... ; as a socially integrating agreement about
values and norms instilled through cultural tradition and socialization;
as a consensual relation between players and their publics; or as reaching
understanding in the sense of a cooperative process of interpretation."
So, there at least for Habermas coordination is something that can be
achieved through strategic action. Perhaps he uses the word differently
elsewhere.... A matter of semantics, but when dealing with someone like
Habermas, semantics can be important.... Anyway, if you want to pursue
this further, maybe we should take it off the list.
----Matthew A. King------Department of Philosophy------McMaster University----
"The border is often narrow between a permanent temptation to commit
suicide and the birth of a certain form of political consciousness."
-----------------------------(Michel Foucault)--------------------------------