RE: postmodernism and liberalism


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Clare O'Farell talks of the 'millions dead of Marxist derived =
ideologies', forgetting the fact that many of the millions wanted to die =
for these ideologies. I am in India right now, and could claim to know =
some who have done so, I know some more who would gladly do so. The =
Naxelites for one. The Marxists and other socialists I know have seen =
their own and their fathers' bodies broken in sweat shops; love draining =
from their hearts under back breaking Labour. They have seen their =
mothers go beg on the streets for a $ 0.04 meal when out of job. They =
make things I see on my postmodernist friend's bodies.
These postmodernists would not die for postmodernism. They spend $ 5.0 =
watching postmodernist movies and discuss Women's Movement. They spend $ =
20,000/- and study in America. The fat of the land.
She also forgets the millions killed by the liberals: I wonder what an =
Baathist socialist mother's position on liberalism is, especially after =
her child was denied medicine by a so-called liberal American =
administration. I wonder why the Vietnamese fought the greatest military =
machine ever and died by the millions until they won.=20

On a personal note, I fail to see the 'difference' between Marx and =
Foucault, of course they said different things and suggested we go abut =
things in a different way. But fundamentally, both revealed the world as =
is, it's oppression and cynicism; its tragedy how it came about and so =
on.. in a systematic and dispassionate manner.
What would Foucault have done had he been born in the Enlightenment?

Anand-Bhatt, ARCHITECT.
J-36, saket, new delhi.

"I am no doubt not the only one who writes in order to have no face. Do =
not ask me who I am and do not ask me to remain the same: leave it to =
our bureaucrats and our police to see that our papers are in order."
Michel Foucault

-----Original Message-----
From: Clare O'Farrell [SMTP:c_ofarrell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 5:54 AM
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: re: postmodernism and liberalism

Darren writes

>>Below is an article that appeared in a student newspaper. I think it=20
raises a number of pertinent issues.

>>Postmodernism: Liberalism's Partner in Crime
Well, let's compare it with Marxism and socialism (not from any=20
ideological bias I may have). Let's face it, Marxism and socialism, from =

the moment of its inception, posed a major threat to existing (liberal)=20
institutions and this threat breached the closed world of university=20
education and similar institutions.>>

N.B no flames intended but I can't see anything in this article beyond a =

boringly familiar Marxist style trashing of postmodernism - my religion=20
versus your religion. The writer is clearly unaware of the enormous=20
impact Foucault's work (for example) is having at a very practical level =

on the analysis of day to day policies and practices in professional and =

institutional areas. And what about the millions dead in the name of=20
marxist derived ideologies?=20

I do not wish to minimise the positive effects socialism (and I include=20
non marxist socialisms here) has had on 20th century social thinking -=20
but that style of thought has been well and truly recuperated - we need=20
to think things through from a different angle - not that so called=20
'postmodernism' isn't without its own very large problems!!!

Clare

Clare O'Farrell
email:c_ofarrell@xxxxxxxxxxx
web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/=20




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