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Were you alive then? What Foucault says about the Iranian Revolution is =
*true*. It actually was like that! Personally, I think the Iranian =
Revolution was much more inspiring and dreamlike than the revolutions in =
Eastern Europe ten years later. So don't mistake F's description of what =
was, in fact, actually going on with some new metaphysical commitment of =
some kind.
-- John
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From: aoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:59 AM
Subject: some notes on Foucault and Iran
Some Foucault on Iran:
modernization, as a political project and as principle of social =
trransformatio, is a thing of the past in Iran ( ( Corriere dela Sera =
10/1/78)
Of the entire kemelist program, international politics and internal =
forces only left the Pahl;avis with one bone to gnaw on: modernaization. =
And here this modernization has come profoundly rejected. ( idem)=20
today in Iran, the modernization [that was] to be in Iran, is dead in =
its tracks (idem)=20
Wasn't he saying that Islamic Iran can not be subjected to the =
ordinary process of history: the modernization?
Khomeini became a mythical figure, an "anti-Shah" : yes, and all his =
analysis of that mov. is dualistic as is this statement: the war is =
between the shah and khomeyni and " a whole nation" is behind Kh.!!?? =
this is taking the form for the content! Beside how totalizing!=20
and according to F. ,what the modernization was incapable of doing "la =
spiritualite musulmane" was supposed to achieve in Iran!=20
"A quoi revent les Iranians?" shows very well how F. takes this =
"spiritualite musulmane" as its ESSENTIAL force, since in that text, all =
is reduced to Islam! Islam become the reason for the defeat of =
modernization and the reason for revolution!
and how about taking Islamic laws for " formulas based on bourgeois, =
revolutionary democracy" ( N. Observateur: 10/16/78)?
And a more important question: where does Foucault describe women's =
participation in the mov.? ( isn't this also the case in "L'histoire de =
la sexualite"?)=20
on sept 28 1978: C. dela S: " Now what struck me in Iran is that there =
is no struggle between different elements. What gives it such a beauty, =
and at the same time such a gravity, is that there is only one =
confrontation: ... on one side the entire will of the people , on the =
other side, the machine gun."=20
whatever happened to the theory of " le pluralisme des centres de =
pouvoir ?" and that of the resistance?=20
why not face it?he s... oin this one and the question is WHY?
ao.
The foucaldien ethos has already reached his/her eternal utopia in the =
"present". No need for further move!
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D4>Were you alive =
then? What=20
Foucault says about the Iranian Revolution is *true*. It actually was =
like that!=20
Personally, I think the Iranian Revolution was much more inspiring and =
dreamlike=20
than the revolutions in Eastern Europe ten years later. So don't mistake =
F's=20
description of what was, in fact, actually going on with some new =
metaphysical=20
commitment of some kind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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John</FONT></DIV>
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title=3Daoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>aoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
title=3Dfoucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>[email protected]=
ia.edu</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 1999 =
12:59=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> some notes on Foucault =
and=20
Iran</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Some Foucault on Iran:<BR><BR><I>modernization, as a =
political=20
project and as principle of social trransformatio, is a thing of the =
past in=20
Iran </I>( ( Corriere dela Sera 10/1/78)<BR><I>Of the entire kemelist =
program,=20
international politics and internal forces only left the Pahl;avis =
with one=20
bone to gnaw on: modernaization. And here this modernization has come=20
profoundly rejected.</I> ( idem) <BR><BR><I>today in Iran, the =
modernization=20
[that was] to be in Iran, is dead in its tracks</I> (idem) <BR>Wasn't =
he=20
saying that Islamic Iran can not be subjected to the ordinary process =
of=20
history: the modernization?<BR><BR><I>Khomeini became a mythical =
figure, an=20
"anti-Shah" </I>: yes, and all his analysis of that mov. is dualistic =
as is=20
this statement: the war is between the shah and khomeyni and " <I>a =
whole=20
nation</I>" is behind Kh.!!?? this is taking the form for the content! =
Beside=20
how totalizing! <BR><BR>and according to F. ,what the modernization =
was=20
incapable of doing "la <B>spiritualite <I>musulmane</I></B>" was =
supposed to=20
achieve in Iran! <BR>"A quoi revent les Iranians?" shows very well how =
F.=20
takes this "spiritualite musulmane" as its ESSENTIAL force, since in =
that=20
text, all is reduced to Islam! Islam become the reason for the defeat =
of=20
modernization and the reason for revolution!<BR><BR>and how about =
taking=20
Islamic laws for " <I>formulas based on bourgeois, revolutionary =
democracy"=20
</I>( N. Observateur: 10/16/78)?<BR><BR>And a more important question: =
where=20
does Foucault describe women's participation in the mov.? ( isn't this =
also=20
the case in "L'histoire de la sexualite"?) <BR><BR>on sept 28 1978: C. =
dela S:=20
" <I>Now what struck me in Iran is that there is no struggle between =
different=20
elements. What gives it such a beauty, and at the same time such a =
gravity, is=20
that there is only one confrontation: ... on one side the entire will =
of the=20
people , on the other side, the machine gun." <BR></I>whatever =
happened to the=20
theory of " le pluralisme des centres de pouvoir ?" and that of the=20
resistance? <BR><BR>why not face it?he s... oin this one and the =
question=20
is<B><?bigger> WHY?<BR><?/bigger></B><BR>ao.<BR><B><I>The foucaldien =
ethos has=20
already reached his/her eternal utopia in the "present". No need for =
further=20
move!<BR></I></B><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Were you alive then? What Foucault says about the Iranian Revolution is =
*true*. It actually was like that! Personally, I think the Iranian =
Revolution was much more inspiring and dreamlike than the revolutions in =
Eastern Europe ten years later. So don't mistake F's description of what =
was, in fact, actually going on with some new metaphysical commitment of =
some kind.
-- John
----- Original Message -----=20
From: aoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:59 AM
Subject: some notes on Foucault and Iran
Some Foucault on Iran:
modernization, as a political project and as principle of social =
trransformatio, is a thing of the past in Iran ( ( Corriere dela Sera =
10/1/78)
Of the entire kemelist program, international politics and internal =
forces only left the Pahl;avis with one bone to gnaw on: modernaization. =
And here this modernization has come profoundly rejected. ( idem)=20
today in Iran, the modernization [that was] to be in Iran, is dead in =
its tracks (idem)=20
Wasn't he saying that Islamic Iran can not be subjected to the =
ordinary process of history: the modernization?
Khomeini became a mythical figure, an "anti-Shah" : yes, and all his =
analysis of that mov. is dualistic as is this statement: the war is =
between the shah and khomeyni and " a whole nation" is behind Kh.!!?? =
this is taking the form for the content! Beside how totalizing!=20
and according to F. ,what the modernization was incapable of doing "la =
spiritualite musulmane" was supposed to achieve in Iran!=20
"A quoi revent les Iranians?" shows very well how F. takes this =
"spiritualite musulmane" as its ESSENTIAL force, since in that text, all =
is reduced to Islam! Islam become the reason for the defeat of =
modernization and the reason for revolution!
and how about taking Islamic laws for " formulas based on bourgeois, =
revolutionary democracy" ( N. Observateur: 10/16/78)?
And a more important question: where does Foucault describe women's =
participation in the mov.? ( isn't this also the case in "L'histoire de =
la sexualite"?)=20
on sept 28 1978: C. dela S: " Now what struck me in Iran is that there =
is no struggle between different elements. What gives it such a beauty, =
and at the same time such a gravity, is that there is only one =
confrontation: ... on one side the entire will of the people , on the =
other side, the machine gun."=20
whatever happened to the theory of " le pluralisme des centres de =
pouvoir ?" and that of the resistance?=20
why not face it?he s... oin this one and the question is WHY?
ao.
The foucaldien ethos has already reached his/her eternal utopia in the =
"present". No need for further move!
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D4>Were you alive =
then? What=20
Foucault says about the Iranian Revolution is *true*. It actually was =
like that!=20
Personally, I think the Iranian Revolution was much more inspiring and =
dreamlike=20
than the revolutions in Eastern Europe ten years later. So don't mistake =
F's=20
description of what was, in fact, actually going on with some new =
metaphysical=20
commitment of some kind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D3>-- =
John</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:aoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
title=3Daoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>aoliai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
=
title=3Dfoucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>[email protected]=
ia.edu</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 1999 =
12:59=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> some notes on Foucault =
and=20
Iran</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Some Foucault on Iran:<BR><BR><I>modernization, as a =
political=20
project and as principle of social trransformatio, is a thing of the =
past in=20
Iran </I>( ( Corriere dela Sera 10/1/78)<BR><I>Of the entire kemelist =
program,=20
international politics and internal forces only left the Pahl;avis =
with one=20
bone to gnaw on: modernaization. And here this modernization has come=20
profoundly rejected.</I> ( idem) <BR><BR><I>today in Iran, the =
modernization=20
[that was] to be in Iran, is dead in its tracks</I> (idem) <BR>Wasn't =
he=20
saying that Islamic Iran can not be subjected to the ordinary process =
of=20
history: the modernization?<BR><BR><I>Khomeini became a mythical =
figure, an=20
"anti-Shah" </I>: yes, and all his analysis of that mov. is dualistic =
as is=20
this statement: the war is between the shah and khomeyni and " <I>a =
whole=20
nation</I>" is behind Kh.!!?? this is taking the form for the content! =
Beside=20
how totalizing! <BR><BR>and according to F. ,what the modernization =
was=20
incapable of doing "la <B>spiritualite <I>musulmane</I></B>" was =
supposed to=20
achieve in Iran! <BR>"A quoi revent les Iranians?" shows very well how =
F.=20
takes this "spiritualite musulmane" as its ESSENTIAL force, since in =
that=20
text, all is reduced to Islam! Islam become the reason for the defeat =
of=20
modernization and the reason for revolution!<BR><BR>and how about =
taking=20
Islamic laws for " <I>formulas based on bourgeois, revolutionary =
democracy"=20
</I>( N. Observateur: 10/16/78)?<BR><BR>And a more important question: =
where=20
does Foucault describe women's participation in the mov.? ( isn't this =
also=20
the case in "L'histoire de la sexualite"?) <BR><BR>on sept 28 1978: C. =
dela S:=20
" <I>Now what struck me in Iran is that there is no struggle between =
different=20
elements. What gives it such a beauty, and at the same time such a =
gravity, is=20
that there is only one confrontation: ... on one side the entire will =
of the=20
people , on the other side, the machine gun." <BR></I>whatever =
happened to the=20
theory of " le pluralisme des centres de pouvoir ?" and that of the=20
resistance? <BR><BR>why not face it?he s... oin this one and the =
question=20
is<B><?bigger> WHY?<BR><?/bigger></B><BR>ao.<BR><B><I>The foucaldien =
ethos has=20
already reached his/her eternal utopia in the "present". No need for =
further=20
move!<BR></I></B><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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