Foucault, the liberal self, and individuality

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Dear all,

I have been having a conversation with some friends on the concept of =
individuality and whether individuals exist philosophically. I would =
like to hear all of your thoughts on this specifically in relation to =
Foucault's theories. I contend that the individual does not exist =
because there is no pre-discursive human experience and that humans =
cannot step outside the power relations that sorround them. My =
questions are this: For Foucault is there are difference between =
individual and subject? What does he say about the liberal self or =
liberal subject and its construction? (I know there is a connection to =
the Order of Things here, a book I admit is mostly beyond my =
comprehension). Lastly, I wonder if the collapse of binaries (possibly =
in line with Judith Butler's arguments on gender) is a way out of the =
concept of liberal individuality.

I would like to hear all your thoughts on these questions.

Sean
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Sean Guillory
guillory@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
PO Box 1312
Claremont, CA 91711-1312
"We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately
take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt
ends -- the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of
politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate
and plunder it."-- F. Engels, 1891
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dear all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I have been having a conversation =
with some=20
friends on the concept of individuality and whether individuals exist=20
philosophically.&nbsp; I would like to hear all of your thoughts on this =

specifically in relation to Foucault's theories.&nbsp; I contend that =
the=20
individual does not exist because there is no pre-discursive human =
experience=20
and that humans cannot step outside the power relations that sorround=20
them.&nbsp; My questions are this:&nbsp; For Foucault is there are =
difference=20
between individual and subject?&nbsp; What does he say about the liberal =
self or=20
liberal subject and its construction?&nbsp; (I know there is a =
connection to the=20
Order of Things here, a book I admit is mostly beyond my =
comprehension).&nbsp;=20
Lastly, I wonder if the collapse of binaries (possibly in line with =
Judith=20
Butler's arguments on gender) is a way out of the concept of liberal=20
individuality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I would like to hear all your =
thoughts on these=20
questions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sean</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>***<BR>Sean Guillory<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:guillory@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>guillory@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>PO =
Box=20
1312<BR>Claremont, CA 91711-1312<BR>&quot;We find two great gangs of =
political=20
speculators, who alternately<BR>take possession of the state power and =
exploit=20
it by the most corrupt<BR>ends -- the nation is powerless against these =
two=20
great cartels of<BR>politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in =
reality=20
dominate<BR>and plunder it.&quot;-- F. Engels, 1891</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>** David McReynolds for President! =
**<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.votesocialist.org";>http://www.votesocialist.org</A><BR=
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