First: Every book he wrote was a philosophical book. I
assume you are not philosopher and you cant read the
philosphy. I'll find time to explain it.
Second: Foucault dont have much to say about that
conflict.
Jivko
--- Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But Foucault says very explicitly links the rise of
> biopower to the emergence of genocide and the
> concept of populations and their "management." This
> is in vol. I of the History of Sexuality. La lutte
> des race is in the lecture Il faut defendre la
> societe. These are his terms and the way he uses
> them. You need to read more closely.
>
> I never said he wasn't a philsopher. I did say he
> dealt in concrete specific situations. He did
> genealogies of the prison, archeologies of medical
> discourse. He did not write general philosophical
> and theoretical treatises. Therefore its absoultely
> appropriate to use his terms to analyse a situation
> like the current arab-israeli conflict.
>
> Now, I ask once more. If you reject my take, how
> would you use Foucault to analyse the conflict.
> This might even be a good subject for your
> dissertation. But I suspect it might require you to
> be a little more self-critical than you would be
> comfortable with.
>
> Allen
>
>
> >>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 03:11 AM >>>
> Gee, if you realy was aware about Foucault you
> should
> know that all foucault did was philosophy, all his
> work is philosophical. the terms biopower have
> nothing
> to do with sense you try to put it in. Biopower
> means
> the way that the power in the west hugs and rules
> the
> life - the body and its life: its sexuality, the
> space
> of the body, the details of its life. I am writing
> my
> diplom work on Foucault. and he is a philosopher. I
> dont think that Foucault is full of shit, as You
> see,
> i just claim that your "analys" as You name it, have
> nothing to the with his terms.
>
> Zhivko
> --- Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Gee, is it really such a horrible thing to be a
> > middle American? What kind of racist trip are you
> > on? I don' claim to be "better."
> >
> The terms I used are Foucault's. If you have a
> > better philosophical analysis of the Israeli
> army's
> > behavior, let's hear it.
> >
> > You say you want philsophical discussion. Well
> > Foucault's analyses were always very concrete. He
> > only wrote one book that was primarily
> > methodological and theoretical. So there's
> nothing
> > prima facie anti-Foucauldian in analyzing the
> > Israeli army's actions in his terms. Of course,
> you
> > may think Foucault is full of shit, but then I ask
> > why are you on this list.
> >
> > If you've got something more to offer than
> > invective, let's see it.
> >
> > Allen
> >
> >
> > >>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/14/01 16:02 PM
> >>>
> > "Well, from a Foucauldina perspective, I would
> think
> > > its because they have accepted the very model of
> > > biopower and war of the races that justified the
> > > holocaust."
> >
> > Isnt that the most absurdious and rediculious
> > statement in the history? I think it is.Man, i
> > havent
> > seen whole my life such horrorble statemnt.
> > Congratualations. I lost my words, sorry..
> > This guys in israel have that statemnt as a basis
> of
> > the Israeli politics - A Jewish is nowhere in the
> > world safe, except in Israel. Thats what they do -
> > All
> > the land they are into now belongs to israel since
> > maaaany maaany years. Long ago, when the celts
> were
> > living still on the branches of the trees. The
> arabs
> > settled in these places in the middle ages. What
> > philosophers You are, when you know as much as a
> > nonphilosophers know. The crusaders fighted the
> > arabs,
> > whole europe fighted the arabs, the arabs are
> > expansive, they settle in a land and pretend allah
> > gave them that land.
> > Guys, you are all nuts! What is this racism, what
> is
> > this biopower. Youare notr philosophers, You are
> > just
> > ordinary citizns of usa and so on, you are not
> much
> > different than the midle american, to whom only
> CNN
> > can tell who is right and who not.And only CNN can
> > tell What is What, which is philosophical
> problems.
> >
> > Regads!
> >
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assume you are not philosopher and you cant read the
philosphy. I'll find time to explain it.
Second: Foucault dont have much to say about that
conflict.
Jivko
--- Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But Foucault says very explicitly links the rise of
> biopower to the emergence of genocide and the
> concept of populations and their "management." This
> is in vol. I of the History of Sexuality. La lutte
> des race is in the lecture Il faut defendre la
> societe. These are his terms and the way he uses
> them. You need to read more closely.
>
> I never said he wasn't a philsopher. I did say he
> dealt in concrete specific situations. He did
> genealogies of the prison, archeologies of medical
> discourse. He did not write general philosophical
> and theoretical treatises. Therefore its absoultely
> appropriate to use his terms to analyse a situation
> like the current arab-israeli conflict.
>
> Now, I ask once more. If you reject my take, how
> would you use Foucault to analyse the conflict.
> This might even be a good subject for your
> dissertation. But I suspect it might require you to
> be a little more self-critical than you would be
> comfortable with.
>
> Allen
>
>
> >>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/15/01 03:11 AM >>>
> Gee, if you realy was aware about Foucault you
> should
> know that all foucault did was philosophy, all his
> work is philosophical. the terms biopower have
> nothing
> to do with sense you try to put it in. Biopower
> means
> the way that the power in the west hugs and rules
> the
> life - the body and its life: its sexuality, the
> space
> of the body, the details of its life. I am writing
> my
> diplom work on Foucault. and he is a philosopher. I
> dont think that Foucault is full of shit, as You
> see,
> i just claim that your "analys" as You name it, have
> nothing to the with his terms.
>
> Zhivko
> --- Allen Miller <millerpa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Gee, is it really such a horrible thing to be a
> > middle American? What kind of racist trip are you
> > on? I don' claim to be "better."
> >
> The terms I used are Foucault's. If you have a
> > better philosophical analysis of the Israeli
> army's
> > behavior, let's hear it.
> >
> > You say you want philsophical discussion. Well
> > Foucault's analyses were always very concrete. He
> > only wrote one book that was primarily
> > methodological and theoretical. So there's
> nothing
> > prima facie anti-Foucauldian in analyzing the
> > Israeli army's actions in his terms. Of course,
> you
> > may think Foucault is full of shit, but then I ask
> > why are you on this list.
> >
> > If you've got something more to offer than
> > invective, let's see it.
> >
> > Allen
> >
> >
> > >>> jivkox43georgiev@xxxxxxxxx 07/14/01 16:02 PM
> >>>
> > "Well, from a Foucauldina perspective, I would
> think
> > > its because they have accepted the very model of
> > > biopower and war of the races that justified the
> > > holocaust."
> >
> > Isnt that the most absurdious and rediculious
> > statement in the history? I think it is.Man, i
> > havent
> > seen whole my life such horrorble statemnt.
> > Congratualations. I lost my words, sorry..
> > This guys in israel have that statemnt as a basis
> of
> > the Israeli politics - A Jewish is nowhere in the
> > world safe, except in Israel. Thats what they do -
> > All
> > the land they are into now belongs to israel since
> > maaaany maaany years. Long ago, when the celts
> were
> > living still on the branches of the trees. The
> arabs
> > settled in these places in the middle ages. What
> > philosophers You are, when you know as much as a
> > nonphilosophers know. The crusaders fighted the
> > arabs,
> > whole europe fighted the arabs, the arabs are
> > expansive, they settle in a land and pretend allah
> > gave them that land.
> > Guys, you are all nuts! What is this racism, what
> is
> > this biopower. Youare notr philosophers, You are
> > just
> > ordinary citizns of usa and so on, you are not
> much
> > different than the midle american, to whom only
> CNN
> > can tell who is right and who not.And only CNN can
> > tell What is What, which is philosophical
> problems.
> >
> > Regads!
> >
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