If this hasn't been cleared up by now, maybe I can shed some light on
it. This statement was a quote from Winston Churchill before the Peel
Commission on Palestine in the 1930s. His comment that the replacement
of the native peoples of Australia and America with a "stronger
race, a higher grade race, a more worldly-wise race" was justifiable,
was intended to advance Zionism.
A.P.
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
> From: gilchrik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: We moderns!
>
> >>I am not sure if I uderstand what you are angry about Mr
> gilchrik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> - - all I know is that you are emailing from
> Australia.<<<
>
> Okay, let me explain. My name is Karen, I am female, and I am from
> Perth, Western Australia.
>
> >>>>In the context it was written, I understood that this was
> referring to
> aboriginal people, as opposed to black people. Red Indians and Black
> People
>
> of Australia are both aboriginal people.<<<
>
> I realise that may be the case, but the use of the word "Black" to
> describe Aboriginal Australians simply indicated to me that the
> author of the email did not know the situation nor the sensitivities
> in this country that surround the issue, and therefore the comments
> seemed doubly in-sensitive.
>
> To describe them as "Black" also infers that they are somehow the
> same race as "Black Africans", or that they somehow share the same
> characteristics. This is a problem I have with some South African
> (European decent) relatives, who make some very racist, and very
> ignorant comments about Aborigines because they think its the same
> thing.
>
>
> >>>The history of settlement in Australia is far more recent than
> that of the
>
> USA. <<<
>
> Hence my anger I think. Sorry, I didn't let myself calm down before
> replying. :)
>
>
> >>>Also, the use of Black Australian is far different to the use of
> Red Australian. Black Australian is considered derogatory.
> Aborignal is even considered derogatory too - almost as derogatory as
> 'boong', which was explained to me as the sound your bumper makse
> when you hit an 'abo' (which is a dominant way of talking in some
> parts of Australia.)<<<
>
> you might want to watch your words too, "which is" could definately
> be changed to "which was". You might like to be careful about what
> kind of myths the city people will tell you about the country people.
>
> Aboriginal is nowhere near as derogatory as "boong". Aboriginal must
> be used if you are referring to the whole of Australia. "Boong" is a
> racist term, nothing else.
>
>
>
> >>>>'Cooree' is the preferred term. I don't know what 'cooree'
> means, but it would have been preferable to say Red Americans and
> Coorees ... , but how would an American or European know?!?<<<<
>
>
> Cooree threw me for a minute there, but now I realise its a variation
> of "Koori" which is a word for "person" in some of the tribes down
> near New South Wales and Victoria (you hence have given away your own
> location when you lived in Aust!). Some Aborigines prefer that, but
> as someone from Western Australia, that term doesn't apply. If you're
> going to call people by the areas they come from, Nyoongah is the
> word appropriate for the areas surrounding Perth, and there are many
> different terms all over australia.
>
> Though of course, it is not practical for the world to know this, so
> it is "Aborigine" is preferred. Though if Americans and Europeans did
> not know even this, there are other ways of putting it so as not to
> cause offense, like "Indigenous Australians" or even the native
> people of Australia. Failing that, you all have search engines!
>
> >>Then again, Australians percieve their coorees to be something
> completely different from Black Americans. I am sure I sound like a
> colonialist and I apologise for that, but they are referred to as
> 'still living in the stone age.' This is not true really, there have
> been and are accomplished sports people, academics and business
> people of cooree decent.<<<
>
> Where did you hear this? Though I feel I must point out that though
> many Aborigines are successful in the Western sense, *all* Aborigines
> are living very much in the 21st century.
>
> I do not think that anybody here believes they are living in the
> stone age, or at all more "primitive" for this is racism in a
> traditional sense which just simply is absurd for anybody to think
> these days, let alone express. Racism happens in Australia on the
> level of how "different" they are, or how much benefits they get from
> the government (the myth that they are somehow privileged to
> "ordinary Australians"). That doesn't make it any better though.
> There is debate over their living conditions, because of our
> systems, and institutionalised racism, nothing to do with Aborigines
> themselves.
>
> Though as I said before, of course they are different from Americans!
> I am sure you do not consider Native Americans and African Americans
> to be the same thing simply because they are not white?
>
> >>>it shows how people misundersand misunderstandings and how
> people get mad for no reason. They 'don't know what they do does.'
>
> Then again, I have noticed that some Australians tend to get angry
> about these issues and others.<<<<
>
> Okay, I did over react to the wording of the email. But the content
> of the email was seriously racist, and I can't understand why no
> Americans on this list reacted in the same manner as I did. The
> writer if the email stated that:
>
> "I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong hasbeen done to
> the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia."
>
> This person is saying that it was not wrong to come to Australia,
> kill the people living there (outright and through disease), and take
> their land. To "replace" them because White Europeans were a
> "stronger
> race, a higher grade race, a more worldly-wise race." This type of
> thinking went out in the 60s. It is racist and I was disgusted by it
> and I have every right to be angry over it. "Higher Grade"? What is
> this guy on?
>
> It is not simply a misunderstanding. Or if it is, the writer can tell
> me how I misread it if he wishes.
>
> Karen.
>
>
>
> >From: gilchrik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: We moderns!
> >
> > >>> I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong hasbeen done
> to
> >the Red Indians of America, or the black people of
> >Australia.<<<<
> >
> >firstly, not "black people" they are Australian Aborigines. And
> just,
> >my God you have made me so angry! *Australia* has decided that a
> great
>
> >wrong has
> >been done to Aborigines, and I'm not going to waste my time digging
> up all
>
> >of
> >the information about the genocide we perpetrated upon these people
> in
> our
> >invasion of the land. All of Australia decided, (including the
> Aborigines)
>
> >that
> >we did do a great wrong, and it is not up to anyone else to just
> dismiss
>
> >it. Go
> >bloody well comment on your own country where you know the facts.
> >
> >
> > >>>I donot admit that a wrong has been done to these people by
> the
> >fact that a strongerrace, a higher grade race, a more worldly-wise
> race, to
>
> >put
> >it that way, has comein and taken their place.<<<
> >
> >not a *stronger* race, a more *violent* and *self-justifying* race.
> Which
> >doesn't make it right, and we have not "taken their place".
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