I think this is true:
>From: Cordelia Chu <raccoon@xxxxxxx>
>2) and if it is possible to remove (or to some extend remove) oneself from
>his
>own culture/ discourse - would that make the person a threat to the
>society,
>since he is no longer disciplined and controlled by the governing agent?
I have tried breaking the use of organisational acronyms - replacing them
with the full words that make up the acronym. Those who have invested time
in learning the acronyms do appear to be threatened by that sort of
behaviour. They may even perceive that they do not control you if you do
not speak with their acronyms. It would be an interesting thing to study.
The Australian republican movement has failed in this regard by not offering
a viable alternative to the dominant discourse of Australian society. There
is a strong national discourse based on constitutional monarchy and people
are afraid of losing their identity. Without something of equally powerful
symbolism people will refuse to let it go. I cannot imagine anything as
strong as the current constitutional monarchy - you would end up with
something as shallow as the US Presidential system; Americans are the
biggest enthusiasts for UK monarchy anywhere. In the 1970s The Duke of
Edinburgh told Canadians, 'I feel like a dog when I go to the USA, "they say
to me "come here Prince, sit there Prince" '. I suppose I find that amusing
because I am trapped by the dominant discourse.
My discourse is a threat to republicans as much as their discourse is a
threat to me.
Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA - 0411267256 - lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx
Read my book chapter in The Self and Others
http://www.intergon.net/books.html -- http://intergon.net/card
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>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: foucault <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,PsycheCulture@xxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Problematizing
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:05:11 -0800
>
>Hi rk,
>
>That's great, which leads me to other questions:
>1) is it possible to remove yourself from your culture? And if partially
>so,
>to what extend?
>Foucault speaks of Pierre Riviere as a person who is caught in discourse
>beyond himself, and narrated his suicide in prison, which I take to imply a
>certain causal effect. (Foucault did not explicitly state that "trapped in
>discourse beyond self" causes "suicide", it's just my own perception). If
>Pierre's action/ destruction is indeed an effect of culture/ discourse of
>his
>own time, is there any way he (or we) can escape from that discourse?
>2) and if it is possible to remove (or to some extend remove) oneself from
>his
>own culture/ discourse - would that make the person a threat to the
>society,
>since he is no longer disciplined and controlled by the governing agent?
>
>-Cordelia
>
> >===== Original Message From PsycheCulture@xxxxxx =====
> >In a message dated 12/6/03 1:12:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >francois.gagnon.1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >> On problematization
> >
> > Perhaps this means to begin to call into question that which had
>been
> >taken for granted.
> >
> > When you are totally immersed within a culture, you embrace
>certain
> >ideas, modes of being and behavior as "truth."
> >
> > As you begin to separate from a culture, one may wish to call into
> >question certain ideas or modes of being, to recognize that they arise
>out of
>a
> >particular discourse at a particular moment in history.
> >
> > It seems to me that one has to be motivated to problematize
>something:
> >the idea or institution is bothering you, functioning in a destructive
> >manner, so you wish to "call it into question," begin to deconstruct the
>discourse,
> >move it from being an "absolute" to something that can be questioned.
> >
> >rk
> >
> >
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>From: Cordelia Chu <raccoon@xxxxxxx>
>2) and if it is possible to remove (or to some extend remove) oneself from
>his
>own culture/ discourse - would that make the person a threat to the
>society,
>since he is no longer disciplined and controlled by the governing agent?
I have tried breaking the use of organisational acronyms - replacing them
with the full words that make up the acronym. Those who have invested time
in learning the acronyms do appear to be threatened by that sort of
behaviour. They may even perceive that they do not control you if you do
not speak with their acronyms. It would be an interesting thing to study.
The Australian republican movement has failed in this regard by not offering
a viable alternative to the dominant discourse of Australian society. There
is a strong national discourse based on constitutional monarchy and people
are afraid of losing their identity. Without something of equally powerful
symbolism people will refuse to let it go. I cannot imagine anything as
strong as the current constitutional monarchy - you would end up with
something as shallow as the US Presidential system; Americans are the
biggest enthusiasts for UK monarchy anywhere. In the 1970s The Duke of
Edinburgh told Canadians, 'I feel like a dog when I go to the USA, "they say
to me "come here Prince, sit there Prince" '. I suppose I find that amusing
because I am trapped by the dominant discourse.
My discourse is a threat to republicans as much as their discourse is a
threat to me.
Lionel Boxer CD PhD MBA - 0411267256 - lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx
Read my book chapter in The Self and Others
http://www.intergon.net/books.html -- http://intergon.net/card
----------------------------------------------
Melbourne Rifles 150th Anniversary -- http://intergon.net/rifles
----------------------------------------------
>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: foucault <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,PsycheCulture@xxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Problematizing
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:05:11 -0800
>
>Hi rk,
>
>That's great, which leads me to other questions:
>1) is it possible to remove yourself from your culture? And if partially
>so,
>to what extend?
>Foucault speaks of Pierre Riviere as a person who is caught in discourse
>beyond himself, and narrated his suicide in prison, which I take to imply a
>certain causal effect. (Foucault did not explicitly state that "trapped in
>discourse beyond self" causes "suicide", it's just my own perception). If
>Pierre's action/ destruction is indeed an effect of culture/ discourse of
>his
>own time, is there any way he (or we) can escape from that discourse?
>2) and if it is possible to remove (or to some extend remove) oneself from
>his
>own culture/ discourse - would that make the person a threat to the
>society,
>since he is no longer disciplined and controlled by the governing agent?
>
>-Cordelia
>
> >===== Original Message From PsycheCulture@xxxxxx =====
> >In a message dated 12/6/03 1:12:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >francois.gagnon.1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >> On problematization
> >
> > Perhaps this means to begin to call into question that which had
>been
> >taken for granted.
> >
> > When you are totally immersed within a culture, you embrace
>certain
> >ideas, modes of being and behavior as "truth."
> >
> > As you begin to separate from a culture, one may wish to call into
> >question certain ideas or modes of being, to recognize that they arise
>out of
>a
> >particular discourse at a particular moment in history.
> >
> > It seems to me that one has to be motivated to problematize
>something:
> >the idea or institution is bothering you, functioning in a destructive
> >manner, so you wish to "call it into question," begin to deconstruct the
>discourse,
> >move it from being an "absolute" to something that can be questioned.
> >
> >rk
> >
> >
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