That's what I was thinking. But isn't it the problem more about privileging a subjective voice, or assuming a particular rendition of experience is authentic or unitary, something that does not necessarily go hand in hand with excluding a text produced from the perspective of an individual who is both subject and object of power?
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elif sendur <elifsendur@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
actually he is not unfamiliar with prisoner's experiences since he has
worked on it personally. Pierre Riviere is a case as mentioned. However
personal experiences may not make too much sense within the "post" modern
understanding when formation of subjectivity is at stake.
good luck with your work,
elif
On 2/1/07, Simon Rolston wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks very much for the suggestion, Ilgin. I know of Rodriguez's book,
> but I have yet to read it. I'm going to head over to the library to have a
> look for it (along with Ethics, Subjectivity and Truth...).
>
> Foucault's notion of the docile body certainly needs to be rethought, or
> at least developed, in relation to the experiences of inmates in American
> prisons. That said--and I am something of a newcomer to Foucault, so pardon
> my naivety--it seems that Foucault's projects on discipline, even power, do
> not concern experience, necessarily. Why does he not consider texts written
> by prisoners themselves as part of his project? As I mentioned, I'm aware
> that he finds autobiography deeply problematic ("Infamous Men"), but this
> still seems to be something of a gap. Ideas?
> Cheers,
>
> Simon
>
> Ilgin Yorukoglu wrote:
> Hi Simon,
> Have you also read "Forced Passages" by Dylan Rodriguez? The book is about
> the radical prison thought, and the racism of the criminal justice system in
> the US. Although Rodriguez is in line with Foucault some times, especially
> with the way the latter uses genealogy, he finds Foucault's thought on
> incarceration not suitable for understanding what's really going on (which
> is, basically, destruction of these bodies). I thought it might be helpful,
> Best,
> Ilgin
>
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> Hi Elif, great suggestions. I'm not familiar with Genet's essay, though.
> I've read his introduction to Soledad Brother. Is that the one you mean?
> Thanks for the help.
> Best,
>
> Simon
>
> elif sendur wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> I am Elif from Binghamton University Comparative Literature Phd Program.
> Discipline and Punish is a good start but I also recommend Jean Genet's
> essays and not to forget, Foucault's interviews in Power/ Knowledge.
> best,
> elif sendur
>
> On 1/19/07, Simon Rolston wrote:
> >
> > I'm a graduate student in the English department at the University of
> > British Columbia, Canada, and I'm currently working on (and interested
> in)
> > American prisoner autobiographies. At the moment I'm writing my
> qualifying
> > papers (which are similar to comprehensive exams), one of which is on
> > Foucault and discipline. Although Foucault is very suspicious of
> > autobiography, I think his work is quite useful for my project. For
> example,
> > I'm interested in questioning the assumption that prisoner writings are
> > emancipatory texts, that writing about oneself when imprisoned is
> somehow a
> > 'freeing' activity. This is not to undermine the work accomplished by
> > American inmates. Rather it is to acknowledge the difficulties a
> prisoner
> > faces when writing (and even speaking) from inside the belly of the
> beast.
> > If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
> > Thanks for letting me join up!
> > Best,
> >
> > Simon Rolston
> >
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elif sendur <elifsendur@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
actually he is not unfamiliar with prisoner's experiences since he has
worked on it personally. Pierre Riviere is a case as mentioned. However
personal experiences may not make too much sense within the "post" modern
understanding when formation of subjectivity is at stake.
good luck with your work,
elif
On 2/1/07, Simon Rolston wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks very much for the suggestion, Ilgin. I know of Rodriguez's book,
> but I have yet to read it. I'm going to head over to the library to have a
> look for it (along with Ethics, Subjectivity and Truth...).
>
> Foucault's notion of the docile body certainly needs to be rethought, or
> at least developed, in relation to the experiences of inmates in American
> prisons. That said--and I am something of a newcomer to Foucault, so pardon
> my naivety--it seems that Foucault's projects on discipline, even power, do
> not concern experience, necessarily. Why does he not consider texts written
> by prisoners themselves as part of his project? As I mentioned, I'm aware
> that he finds autobiography deeply problematic ("Infamous Men"), but this
> still seems to be something of a gap. Ideas?
> Cheers,
>
> Simon
>
> Ilgin Yorukoglu wrote:
> Hi Simon,
> Have you also read "Forced Passages" by Dylan Rodriguez? The book is about
> the radical prison thought, and the racism of the criminal justice system in
> the US. Although Rodriguez is in line with Foucault some times, especially
> with the way the latter uses genealogy, he finds Foucault's thought on
> incarceration not suitable for understanding what's really going on (which
> is, basically, destruction of these bodies). I thought it might be helpful,
> Best,
> Ilgin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Simon Rolston
> To: Mailing-list
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:57:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Introduction
>
> Hi Elif, great suggestions. I'm not familiar with Genet's essay, though.
> I've read his introduction to Soledad Brother. Is that the one you mean?
> Thanks for the help.
> Best,
>
> Simon
>
> elif sendur wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> I am Elif from Binghamton University Comparative Literature Phd Program.
> Discipline and Punish is a good start but I also recommend Jean Genet's
> essays and not to forget, Foucault's interviews in Power/ Knowledge.
> best,
> elif sendur
>
> On 1/19/07, Simon Rolston wrote:
> >
> > I'm a graduate student in the English department at the University of
> > British Columbia, Canada, and I'm currently working on (and interested
> in)
> > American prisoner autobiographies. At the moment I'm writing my
> qualifying
> > papers (which are similar to comprehensive exams), one of which is on
> > Foucault and discipline. Although Foucault is very suspicious of
> > autobiography, I think his work is quite useful for my project. For
> example,
> > I'm interested in questioning the assumption that prisoner writings are
> > emancipatory texts, that writing about oneself when imprisoned is
> somehow a
> > 'freeing' activity. This is not to undermine the work accomplished by
> > American inmates. Rather it is to acknowledge the difficulties a
> prisoner
> > faces when writing (and even speaking) from inside the belly of the
> beast.
> > If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
> > Thanks for letting me join up!
> > Best,
> >
> > Simon Rolston
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to
> Yahoo!
> > Answers.
> > _______________________________________________
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