Re: [Foucault-L] philosophy and history


"a subject without history" would seem to be the opposite of how you remembered it, i.e., "history without a subject" (e.g., Althusser). The quote would seem to be a comment on the difference between the Annales school's approach (which was presumably predominant at that time in France) and the predominant philosophical approach, which assumes a transcendental subject of knowledge, centre of actions, etc etc. Presumably the comment was prefatory to an attempt on Foucault's part to give a properly historical account of the "subject" and its effects. Anyway if anyone wants to comment further on this passage maybe they can clarify things.


On 04/03/2008, at 7:18 AM, Teemu K wrote:


In "About the Beginning of the Hermeneutics of the Self", at page 202,
there's a passage that might be the one.

"...most historians prefer a history of social processes, and most
philosophers prefer a subject without history" (Political Theory, Volume 21,
Issue 2, 1993)

best regards,

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks for these suggestions, but I'm almost sure that it comes from one
of the texts in the three volume Essential Works: I can almost picture it on
the page.
However, like I said, I have been unable tolocate it.


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I think I read this line in an interview (given the title "The
Prison" in English trans.). I am not positive, though.

Good luck.


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:00 PM, John J Crandall <jjcranda@xxxxxxx>

Check the archaeology of knowledge. That tends to discuss methodology
wants/needs/desires of social scientists. Also check power/ knowledge.

Perhaps someone knows more specifically than I.

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Firstly, I'd like to say thanks for clarifying my previous question on
Remarks on Marx.

Secondly, can anyone point me to the text in which Foucault says
"philosophers want a subject without a history and historians want a
without a subject"
I know I have read this somewhere, but am damned if I can find the
or interview in which it appears.


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