But doesn't Foucault challenge Marx's notion of history as a dialectic?
Though it is true these thinkers (Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze) are all
working in a post-Marxist space and would not have been possible in a
pre-Marx era.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Ali Rizvi <ali_m_rizvi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Yoshie, this is an excellent point. Thank
> you for that. I had forgotten all about Marx and how he is absolutely
> essential
> for understanding Foucault's concerns here. Obviously Foucault's point goes
> much more beyond Marx but as your rightly put it, he's working in the
> shadow of
> Marx. Ali
>
> =
> The tradition of historical materialism, with which Foucault was
> ambivalently engaged, postulates that the subjective transformation of
> the sort that Foucault put under the rubric of "spirituality" in The
> Hermeneutics of the Subject comes only through a collective
> revolutionary practice and vice versa, a revolutionary process in
> which people, through practical activity, transform both themselves
> and their circumstances, and that it is in this process we should seek
> "truth." As Marx put it, "The philosophers have only interpreted the
> world, in various ways; the point is to change it." The eleventh
> thesis on Feuerbach is often misunderstood as a call to action,
> rejecting philosophy, but it is best to interpret it as a criticism of
> the common epistemological premise of the philosophers whom Marx
> criticizes, the premise being that there exists a subject, disengaged
> from the world as well as other subjects, who can know. Foucault,
> like Marx, criticizes that premise.
>
> Yoshie
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Though it is true these thinkers (Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze) are all
working in a post-Marxist space and would not have been possible in a
pre-Marx era.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Ali Rizvi <ali_m_rizvi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Yoshie, this is an excellent point. Thank
> you for that. I had forgotten all about Marx and how he is absolutely
> essential
> for understanding Foucault's concerns here. Obviously Foucault's point goes
> much more beyond Marx but as your rightly put it, he's working in the
> shadow of
> Marx. Ali
>
> =
> The tradition of historical materialism, with which Foucault was
> ambivalently engaged, postulates that the subjective transformation of
> the sort that Foucault put under the rubric of "spirituality" in The
> Hermeneutics of the Subject comes only through a collective
> revolutionary practice and vice versa, a revolutionary process in
> which people, through practical activity, transform both themselves
> and their circumstances, and that it is in this process we should seek
> "truth." As Marx put it, "The philosophers have only interpreted the
> world, in various ways; the point is to change it." The eleventh
> thesis on Feuerbach is often misunderstood as a call to action,
> rejecting philosophy, but it is best to interpret it as a criticism of
> the common epistemological premise of the philosophers whom Marx
> criticizes, the premise being that there exists a subject, disengaged
> from the world as well as other subjects, who can know. Foucault,
> like Marx, criticizes that premise.
>
> Yoshie
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> Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
>
>
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>
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West Des Moines, IA
aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
(515)-418-2771
"You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
world"