Hi Nck
Funnily enough I came across the part on 'diagrams' in Deleuze's Foucault myself this week. So I paid more attention to it.
I'm also interested in what you wrote of Guattari. I am currently researching Habermas' communicative rationality with reference to the emergence of care in the community, in a sense moving on from the asylum.
As Deleuze noted, in Discipline and Punish Foucault talks about a certain moment in the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries, where the diagram involves discipline etc. In 'Postcript on Control Societies' in 'Negotiations' Deleuze talks of moving on from the disciplined society to a society of control. In a sense a new diagram.
Whilst reading Deleuze's Foucault I became aware that care in the community was such a diagram.
An example for me is that i like you am looking for emancipatory potential, hence Habermas for me. (I am aware you are looking at the non-discursive elements, although For Foucault does that not mean apparatus? Please correct me if I am wrong). As well as using Foucault and Deleuze (it is interesting that Jodi Dean on her I cite blog is comparing Arendt to Foucault's biopolitics to bring it back round to Habermas who was influenced by Arendt's concept of communicative power) to critique Habermas, I am using Marcuse, his view of the reality principle is interesting with relevance to Foucault's diagram. Bringing it back to Deleuze and Guattari for me. However I know little of him other than having read Anti-Oedipus.
With reference to Foucault's dislike of humanism and the any consequent possibility of emancipation I am currently looking at the Recovery movement, originally stemming from the user-led survivor movement as a way from the medicalisation of madness, in the formation of a new diagram and relevant to Marcuse' concept of the commodification of rebellion, or perhaps in this case emancipation, at least from a dominating, irreversible discourse, the Recovery model is now being taken up by NHS trusts (in the UK), and already the cries are that the discourse is being hijacked, controlled, evaluated, disciplined.
To me that is what Guattari talks of diagrams as embodied by people and experiences, and this is where a social, concrete machine is starting to become a technical, abstract machine.
(Earon, will be interested to read your dissertation)
All the Best
Alastair
--- On Thu, 16/4/09, Earon Kavanagh <etearon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Earon Kavanagh <etearon@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] foucault's diagram
To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:31 PM
Hi Nick,
I did my PhD dissertation and used Foucault's approach to power, among other things, to analyze power relations in consulting and therapeutic change communities.
Caveat: I do not consider myself a Foucauldian scholar as my dissertation dealt with several disciplines. You can find a copy of my
dissertation online under "Dian-Marie-Hosking". She was my main prof, and it should be under the section "publications", and then "theses". Chris Falzon's work on Foucault and dialogue is also cited in the dissertation.
Panopticon: For an interesting take on how the Panopticon design is applied, as a metaphor, to the internalization of power relations, thereby leading to the person shaping his thinking and behavior as if he is constantly 'under the gaze', read White and Epston (1990), "Narrative Means to Therapeutic Ends".
best of luck,
earon
Earon Kavanagh, PhD Graduate of the Taos/Tilburg University PhD Program for Change Practitioners
PRACTICE AND RESEARCH INTERESTS
Psychologies of organizing and collaboration;
Communities of practice and power relations;
Social constructionist organization development;
Virtual teams and communities;
Discourse analysis and narrative in
organizations;
Reflection-in-action, and espoused theory and theory in use;
Connections between family and organizational processes
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Nick Montgomery <montgomerynick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Nick Montgomery <montgomerynick@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Foucault-L] foucault's diagram
To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:31 AM
hi all,
i am currently trying to find some sources (and better understand)
foucault's 'diagram' of power. i have been through some of the earlier
posts on this topic without much luck. other than deleuze's book on
foucault
(which i am finding very difficult) can anyone suggest useful
sources that explain and clarify the concept of the diagram? i'm
particularly interested in its apparent appropriation by guattari in
'molecular revolution in brazil' where G writes:
'It is also necessary to have discussions with the parties, the unions, and
so on, but in this case the discussion is not on the basis of accusations
such as 'you're rotten, bourgeois, capitalist pigs, etc' or on the basis of
schematic programs, but on the basis of what we would call diagrams
concretely embodied by people and by experiences'
i am particularly interested in the potential use of the diagram concept as
a way to think about experience, change and struggle, rather than discursive
regimes. any thoughts?
nick
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Funnily enough I came across the part on 'diagrams' in Deleuze's Foucault myself this week. So I paid more attention to it.
I'm also interested in what you wrote of Guattari. I am currently researching Habermas' communicative rationality with reference to the emergence of care in the community, in a sense moving on from the asylum.
As Deleuze noted, in Discipline and Punish Foucault talks about a certain moment in the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries, where the diagram involves discipline etc. In 'Postcript on Control Societies' in 'Negotiations' Deleuze talks of moving on from the disciplined society to a society of control. In a sense a new diagram.
Whilst reading Deleuze's Foucault I became aware that care in the community was such a diagram.
An example for me is that i like you am looking for emancipatory potential, hence Habermas for me. (I am aware you are looking at the non-discursive elements, although For Foucault does that not mean apparatus? Please correct me if I am wrong). As well as using Foucault and Deleuze (it is interesting that Jodi Dean on her I cite blog is comparing Arendt to Foucault's biopolitics to bring it back round to Habermas who was influenced by Arendt's concept of communicative power) to critique Habermas, I am using Marcuse, his view of the reality principle is interesting with relevance to Foucault's diagram. Bringing it back to Deleuze and Guattari for me. However I know little of him other than having read Anti-Oedipus.
With reference to Foucault's dislike of humanism and the any consequent possibility of emancipation I am currently looking at the Recovery movement, originally stemming from the user-led survivor movement as a way from the medicalisation of madness, in the formation of a new diagram and relevant to Marcuse' concept of the commodification of rebellion, or perhaps in this case emancipation, at least from a dominating, irreversible discourse, the Recovery model is now being taken up by NHS trusts (in the UK), and already the cries are that the discourse is being hijacked, controlled, evaluated, disciplined.
To me that is what Guattari talks of diagrams as embodied by people and experiences, and this is where a social, concrete machine is starting to become a technical, abstract machine.
(Earon, will be interested to read your dissertation)
All the Best
Alastair
--- On Thu, 16/4/09, Earon Kavanagh <etearon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Earon Kavanagh <etearon@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] foucault's diagram
To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:31 PM
Hi Nick,
I did my PhD dissertation and used Foucault's approach to power, among other things, to analyze power relations in consulting and therapeutic change communities.
Caveat: I do not consider myself a Foucauldian scholar as my dissertation dealt with several disciplines. You can find a copy of my
dissertation online under "Dian-Marie-Hosking". She was my main prof, and it should be under the section "publications", and then "theses". Chris Falzon's work on Foucault and dialogue is also cited in the dissertation.
Panopticon: For an interesting take on how the Panopticon design is applied, as a metaphor, to the internalization of power relations, thereby leading to the person shaping his thinking and behavior as if he is constantly 'under the gaze', read White and Epston (1990), "Narrative Means to Therapeutic Ends".
best of luck,
earon
Earon Kavanagh, PhD Graduate of the Taos/Tilburg University PhD Program for Change Practitioners
PRACTICE AND RESEARCH INTERESTS
Psychologies of organizing and collaboration;
Communities of practice and power relations;
Social constructionist organization development;
Virtual teams and communities;
Discourse analysis and narrative in
organizations;
Reflection-in-action, and espoused theory and theory in use;
Connections between family and organizational processes
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Nick Montgomery <montgomerynick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Nick Montgomery <montgomerynick@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Foucault-L] foucault's diagram
To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:31 AM
hi all,
i am currently trying to find some sources (and better understand)
foucault's 'diagram' of power. i have been through some of the earlier
posts on this topic without much luck. other than deleuze's book on
foucault
(which i am finding very difficult) can anyone suggest useful
sources that explain and clarify the concept of the diagram? i'm
particularly interested in its apparent appropriation by guattari in
'molecular revolution in brazil' where G writes:
'It is also necessary to have discussions with the parties, the unions, and
so on, but in this case the discussion is not on the basis of accusations
such as 'you're rotten, bourgeois, capitalist pigs, etc' or on the basis of
schematic programs, but on the basis of what we would call diagrams
concretely embodied by people and by experiences'
i am particularly interested in the potential use of the diagram concept as
a way to think about experience, change and struggle, rather than discursive
regimes. any thoughts?
nick
_______________________________________________
Foucault-L mailing list
_______________________________________________
Foucault-L mailing list