as far as I know, there has been no transcription of this lecture (nor of the discussions which followed it)
links to mp3s of the lecture and discussions are as follows
lecture: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult1.ram
1st discussion: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult2.ram
2nd discussion: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
if anyone knows of a transcript, could they let me know where to get my hands on it.
regards,
kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amitrbasu53@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:18:48 +0530
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>
> dear kevin,
> can you kindly post this lecture in this list?
> regards,
> amit
>
> On 3 April 2012 23:11, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> here is a link to the discussion:
>> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
>> the relevant part is about 30 min in...
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>
>>> I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
>>> lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
>>> History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
>>> The quote reads:
>>>
>>> in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good
>>> means
>>> at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
>>> saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military
>>> discipline.
>>> A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
>>> control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable
>>> than
>>> the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
>>> technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find
>>> now
>>> means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
>>> way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an
>>> example:
>>> even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
>>> techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even
>>> in
>>> one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you
>>> could
>>> find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
>>> found in the world war armies.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>
>>>> I think Andre has right.
>>>>
>>>> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
>>>> is
>>>> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault
>>>> (no
>>>> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
>>>>
>>>> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
>>>> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
>>>> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
>>>> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
>>>> différente de celle de discipline"
>>>>
>>>> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
>>>>
>>>> yours
>>>> Machiel Karskens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
>>>>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
>>>>>
>>>>> - K
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
>>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
>>>>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
>>>>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
>>>>>> neutralizes its dangers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> André Nunes Batista
>>>>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
>>>>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi to one and all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>>>>
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links to mp3s of the lecture and discussions are as follows
lecture: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult1.ram
1st discussion: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult2.ram
2nd discussion: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
if anyone knows of a transcript, could they let me know where to get my hands on it.
regards,
kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amitrbasu53@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:18:48 +0530
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>
> dear kevin,
> can you kindly post this lecture in this list?
> regards,
> amit
>
> On 3 April 2012 23:11, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> here is a link to the discussion:
>> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
>> the relevant part is about 30 min in...
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>
>>> I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
>>> lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
>>> History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
>>> The quote reads:
>>>
>>> in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good
>>> means
>>> at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
>>> saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military
>>> discipline.
>>> A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
>>> control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable
>>> than
>>> the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
>>> technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find
>>> now
>>> means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
>>> way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an
>>> example:
>>> even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
>>> techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even
>>> in
>>> one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you
>>> could
>>> find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
>>> found in the world war armies.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>
>>>> I think Andre has right.
>>>>
>>>> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
>>>> is
>>>> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault
>>>> (no
>>>> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
>>>>
>>>> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
>>>> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
>>>> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
>>>> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
>>>> différente de celle de discipline"
>>>>
>>>> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
>>>>
>>>> yours
>>>> Machiel Karskens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
>>>>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
>>>>>
>>>>> - K
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
>>>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
>>>>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
>>>>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
>>>>>> neutralizes its dangers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> André Nunes Batista
>>>>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
>>>>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi to one and all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at
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