dear kevin,
can you kindly post this lecture in this list?
regards,
amit
On 3 April 2012 23:11, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> here is a link to the discussion:
> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
> the relevant part is about 30 min in...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >
> > I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
> > lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
> > History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
> > The quote reads:
> >
> > in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good means
> > at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
> > saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military discipline.
> > A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
> > control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable than
> > the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
> > technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find now
> > means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
> > way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an example:
> > even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
> > techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even in
> > one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you could
> > find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
> > found in the world war armies.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
> >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>
> >> I think Andre has right.
> >>
> >> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
> >> is
> >> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault (no
> >> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
> >>
> >> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
> >> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
> >> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
> >> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
> >> différente de celle de discipline"
> >>
> >> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
> >>
> >> yours
> >> Machiel Karskens
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
> >>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
> >>>
> >>> - K
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
> >>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
> >>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
> >>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
> >>>> neutralizes its dangers.
> >>>>
> >>>> André Nunes Batista
> >>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
> >>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
> >>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi to one and all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
> >>>>> like
> >>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
> >>>>> certain
> >>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
> >>>>> example
> >>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Kevin.
> >>>>>
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can you kindly post this lecture in this list?
regards,
amit
On 3 April 2012 23:11, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> here is a link to the discussion:
> http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
> the relevant part is about 30 min in...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >
> > I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
> > lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
> > History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
> > The quote reads:
> >
> > in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good means
> > at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
> > saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military discipline.
> > A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
> > control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable than
> > the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
> > technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find now
> > means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
> > way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an example:
> > even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
> > techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even in
> > one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you could
> > find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
> > found in the world war armies.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
> >> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>
> >> I think Andre has right.
> >>
> >> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
> >> is
> >> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault (no
> >> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
> >>
> >> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
> >> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
> >> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
> >> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
> >> différente de celle de discipline"
> >>
> >> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
> >>
> >> yours
> >> Machiel Karskens
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
> >>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
> >>>
> >>> - K
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
> >>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
> >>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
> >>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
> >>>> neutralizes its dangers.
> >>>>
> >>>> André Nunes Batista
> >>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
> >>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
> >>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi to one and all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
> >>>>> like
> >>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
> >>>>> certain
> >>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
> >>>>> example
> >>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Kevin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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