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I too enjoyed reading the arguments of Said, Bourdieu, et al, but I =
wasn't convinced. You can see an article along similar lines as theirs =
in the Village Voice. The problem with these arguments, for me, is that =
they are based in large part on a criticism of hypocrisy. In the form =
of, "How can the U.S. justify opposing humanitarian disasters in Kosovo =
when it trucks with other regimes, such as Turkey, who do much the same =
thing we criticize Milosovic for?" But instead of convincing our leaders =
that they are violating the rule of noncontradiction by supporting human =
rights in one place while not doing so in another, I think we should =
encourage them when they do act and criticize them when they don't.=20
Notice that the piece by French intellectuals was filled with simply =
contrary claims -- "the bombing won't help the refugee crisis; it will =
hurt"; "the bombing won't help limit the spread of hostilities; it will =
promote the spread of hostilities." Well, these are pragmatic =
probabilistic judgments, and the authors give no reason to think their =
read is more accurate than the Pentagon's.
I'm by no means convinced that the bombings have had no adverse affects =
on Milosevic and his military machine. I do believe Milosevic was a big =
player in the disaster in Bosnia, and I think he and his military are =
carrying out ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, which includes mass killings.=20
-- John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Robert Douglas <Ian_Robert_Douglas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =
<foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Bronte/Said/Foucault???
=20
=20
I've no doubt, if alive, Foucault would be talking about Kosovo; =
can't we
talk about Kosovo without talking about him? With many other =
listserv
groups I'm in favour of a division of labour, but with =
Foucault--just
simply because of the man--I find it difficult to separate the =
relevant
from the not so relevant (I know Clare you weren't saying Kosovo is =
beyond
our remit). Sometimes it doesn't even stop at my shopping list, but =
then
that only goes to show that indeed, we can think Foucault without =
having to
name him. "Philosophy's sole aim is to become worthy of the event", =
writes
Deleuze. Does anyone have any thoughts, powerful ones, on what on =
earth is
happening in this emerging catastrophe?
=20
best wishes/sincerely,
______________________________________________
Ian R. Douglas | Watson Institute for International Studies
Brown University, Box 1831, Providence, RI 02912 USA
=20
tel: 401 863-2420 fax: 401 863-2192
=20
"There are more ideas on earth than intellectuals think.
And these ideas are more active, stronger, more
resistant, more passionate than 'politicians' think.
We have to be there at the birth of ideas, the bursting
outward of their force: not in books expressing them,
but in events manifesting this force .. " - Foucault
=20
http://www.powerfoundation.org
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I too enjoyed =
reading the=20
arguments of Said, Bourdieu, et al, but I wasn't convinced. You can see =
an=20
article along similar lines as theirs in the Village Voice. The problem =
with=20
these arguments, for me, is that they are based in large part on a =
criticism of=20
hypocrisy. In the form of, "How can the U.S. justify opposing =
humanitarian=20
disasters in Kosovo when it trucks with other regimes, such as Turkey, =
who do=20
much the same thing we criticize Milosovic for?" But instead of =
convincing=20
our leaders that they are violating the rule of noncontradiction by =
supporting=20
human rights in one place while not doing so in another, I think we =
should=20
encourage them when they do act and criticize them when they don't.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Notice that the piece by French =
intellectuals was filled with simply contrary claims -- "the =
bombing won't=20
help the refugee crisis; it will hurt"; "the bombing won't =
help limit=20
the spread of hostilities; it will promote the spread of =
hostilities."=20
Well, these are pragmatic probabilistic judgments, and the authors give =
no=20
reason to think their read is more accurate than the =
Pentagon's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I'm by no means convinced that =
the bombings=20
have had no adverse affects on Milosevic and his military machine. I do =
believe=20
Milosevic was a big player in the disaster in Bosnia, and I think he and =
his=20
military are carrying out ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, which includes =
mass=20
killings. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>-- John</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Ian Robert Douglas <<A=20
=
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</A>><BR><B>To:=20
</B><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>foucault@lists.villag=
e.virginia.edu</A>=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>foucault@lists.villag=
e.virginia.edu</A>><BR><B>Date:=20
</B>Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:43 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:=20
Bronte/Said/Foucault???<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>I've no doubt, if alive, =
Foucault would be talking about Kosovo; can't we<BR>talk about =
Kosovo=20
without talking about him? With many other listserv<BR>groups =
I'm in=20
favour of a division of labour, but with Foucault--just<BR>simply =
because of=20
the man--I find it difficult to separate the relevant<BR>from the =
not so=20
relevant (I know Clare you weren't saying Kosovo is beyond<BR>our=20
remit). Sometimes it doesn't even stop at my shopping list, =
but=20
then<BR>that only goes to show that indeed, we can think Foucault =
without=20
having to<BR>name him. "Philosophy's sole aim is to =
become worthy=20
of the event", writes<BR>Deleuze. Does anyone have any =
thoughts,=20
powerful ones, on what on earth is<BR>happening in this emerging=20
catastrophe?<BR><BR>best=20
=
wishes/sincerely,<BR>______________________________________________<BR>Ia=
n=20
R. Douglas | Watson Institute for International =
Studies<BR>Brown=20
University, Box 1831, Providence, RI 02912 =
USA<BR><BR>tel: 401=20
863-2420 fax: 401 =
863-2192<BR><BR>"There are=20
more ideas on earth than intellectuals think.<BR> And =
these=20
ideas are more active, stronger, more<BR> resistant, =
more=20
passionate than 'politicians' think.<BR> We have to be =
there at=20
the birth of ideas, the bursting<BR> outward of their =
force: not=20
in books expressing them,<BR> but in events manifesting =
this=20
force .. " - Foucault<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.powerfoundation.org";>http://www.powerfoundation.org</A=
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I too enjoyed reading the arguments of Said, Bourdieu, et al, but I =
wasn't convinced. You can see an article along similar lines as theirs =
in the Village Voice. The problem with these arguments, for me, is that =
they are based in large part on a criticism of hypocrisy. In the form =
of, "How can the U.S. justify opposing humanitarian disasters in Kosovo =
when it trucks with other regimes, such as Turkey, who do much the same =
thing we criticize Milosovic for?" But instead of convincing our leaders =
that they are violating the rule of noncontradiction by supporting human =
rights in one place while not doing so in another, I think we should =
encourage them when they do act and criticize them when they don't.=20
Notice that the piece by French intellectuals was filled with simply =
contrary claims -- "the bombing won't help the refugee crisis; it will =
hurt"; "the bombing won't help limit the spread of hostilities; it will =
promote the spread of hostilities." Well, these are pragmatic =
probabilistic judgments, and the authors give no reason to think their =
read is more accurate than the Pentagon's.
I'm by no means convinced that the bombings have had no adverse affects =
on Milosevic and his military machine. I do believe Milosevic was a big =
player in the disaster in Bosnia, and I think he and his military are =
carrying out ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, which includes mass killings.=20
-- John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Robert Douglas <Ian_Robert_Douglas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =
<foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Bronte/Said/Foucault???
=20
=20
I've no doubt, if alive, Foucault would be talking about Kosovo; =
can't we
talk about Kosovo without talking about him? With many other =
listserv
groups I'm in favour of a division of labour, but with =
Foucault--just
simply because of the man--I find it difficult to separate the =
relevant
from the not so relevant (I know Clare you weren't saying Kosovo is =
beyond
our remit). Sometimes it doesn't even stop at my shopping list, but =
then
that only goes to show that indeed, we can think Foucault without =
having to
name him. "Philosophy's sole aim is to become worthy of the event", =
writes
Deleuze. Does anyone have any thoughts, powerful ones, on what on =
earth is
happening in this emerging catastrophe?
=20
best wishes/sincerely,
______________________________________________
Ian R. Douglas | Watson Institute for International Studies
Brown University, Box 1831, Providence, RI 02912 USA
=20
tel: 401 863-2420 fax: 401 863-2192
=20
"There are more ideas on earth than intellectuals think.
And these ideas are more active, stronger, more
resistant, more passionate than 'politicians' think.
We have to be there at the birth of ideas, the bursting
outward of their force: not in books expressing them,
but in events manifesting this force .. " - Foucault
=20
http://www.powerfoundation.org
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I too enjoyed =
reading the=20
arguments of Said, Bourdieu, et al, but I wasn't convinced. You can see =
an=20
article along similar lines as theirs in the Village Voice. The problem =
with=20
these arguments, for me, is that they are based in large part on a =
criticism of=20
hypocrisy. In the form of, "How can the U.S. justify opposing =
humanitarian=20
disasters in Kosovo when it trucks with other regimes, such as Turkey, =
who do=20
much the same thing we criticize Milosovic for?" But instead of =
convincing=20
our leaders that they are violating the rule of noncontradiction by =
supporting=20
human rights in one place while not doing so in another, I think we =
should=20
encourage them when they do act and criticize them when they don't.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Notice that the piece by French =
intellectuals was filled with simply contrary claims -- "the =
bombing won't=20
help the refugee crisis; it will hurt"; "the bombing won't =
help limit=20
the spread of hostilities; it will promote the spread of =
hostilities."=20
Well, these are pragmatic probabilistic judgments, and the authors give =
no=20
reason to think their read is more accurate than the =
Pentagon's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I'm by no means convinced that =
the bombings=20
have had no adverse affects on Milosevic and his military machine. I do =
believe=20
Milosevic was a big player in the disaster in Bosnia, and I think he and =
his=20
military are carrying out ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, which includes =
mass=20
killings. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>-- John</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Ian Robert Douglas <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Ian_Robert_Douglas@xxxxxxxxx";>Ian_Robert_Douglas@xxxxxxxxx=
</A>><BR><B>To:=20
</B><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>foucault@lists.villag=
e.virginia.edu</A>=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>foucault@lists.villag=
e.virginia.edu</A>><BR><B>Date:=20
</B>Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:43 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:=20
Bronte/Said/Foucault???<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>I've no doubt, if alive, =
Foucault would be talking about Kosovo; can't we<BR>talk about =
Kosovo=20
without talking about him? With many other listserv<BR>groups =
I'm in=20
favour of a division of labour, but with Foucault--just<BR>simply =
because of=20
the man--I find it difficult to separate the relevant<BR>from the =
not so=20
relevant (I know Clare you weren't saying Kosovo is beyond<BR>our=20
remit). Sometimes it doesn't even stop at my shopping list, =
but=20
then<BR>that only goes to show that indeed, we can think Foucault =
without=20
having to<BR>name him. "Philosophy's sole aim is to =
become worthy=20
of the event", writes<BR>Deleuze. Does anyone have any =
thoughts,=20
powerful ones, on what on earth is<BR>happening in this emerging=20
catastrophe?<BR><BR>best=20
=
wishes/sincerely,<BR>______________________________________________<BR>Ia=
n=20
R. Douglas | Watson Institute for International =
Studies<BR>Brown=20
University, Box 1831, Providence, RI 02912 =
USA<BR><BR>tel: 401=20
863-2420 fax: 401 =
863-2192<BR><BR>"There are=20
more ideas on earth than intellectuals think.<BR> And =
these=20
ideas are more active, stronger, more<BR> resistant, =
more=20
passionate than 'politicians' think.<BR> We have to be =
there at=20
the birth of ideas, the bursting<BR> outward of their =
force: not=20
in books expressing them,<BR> but in events manifesting =
this=20
force .. " - Foucault<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.powerfoundation.org";>http://www.powerfoundation.org</A=
><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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