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Once again the hoary principle of non-contradiction raises its . . . =
hoary head. Doug Henwood's argument below is like the response we got =
from parents and others as youths: "Well, what if everybody did that?" =
(smoked, refused to go to school, etc.), only reversed; that is, "Well, =
if you bomb Yugoslavia because there are violations of human rights =
there, why aren't you bombing every place in the world where human =
rights violations occur?" And we should be bombing everyplace in the =
world because we want to be consistent?? Or, if we are unable to be =
consistent by bombing all violators of human rights we should refuse -- =
on grounds of fairness? our love of logic? -- to bomb any violators?
It seems to me that this logic is one that is favorable to violators of =
human rights everywhere. For by forbidding us from acting on violations =
of human rights in one place unless and until we oppose them (at the =
same time and in the same way) wherever they occur, critics of this kind =
raise the practical bar far too high for any state or combination of =
states to do much of anything.
-- John
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Doug Henwood=20
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kosova
tony ralph wrote:
>On my part, I support ineffective bombing by war mongering hypocrits,
>because its better than nothing.
So you advocate a bombing campaign against Britain for 800 years of =
abusing
Ireland; against Indonesia, for the East Timorese; against Turkey, for =
the
Kurds; and against the U.S., for crimes ranging from the genocide =
directed
against its indigenous populations to the sanctions-induced deaths of =
about
a million Iraqis since the Gulf War, with the murder of a couple of =
million
Indochinese sandwiched in between?
Doug
--
Doug Henwood
Left Business Observer
250 W 85 St
New York NY 10024-3217 USA
+1-212-874-4020 voice +1-603-506-6212 fax
email: <mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx>
web: <http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/LBO_home.html>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Once again the hoary principle =
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non-contradiction raises its . . . hoary head. Doug Henwood's argument =
below is=20
like the response we got from parents and others as youths: "Well, what =
if=20
everybody did that?" (smoked, refused to go to school, etc.), only =
reversed;=20
that is, "Well, if you bomb Yugoslavia because there are violations of =
human=20
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human rights=20
violations occur?" And we should be bombing everyplace in the world =
because we=20
want to be consistent?? Or, if we are unable to be consistent by bombing =
all=20
violators of human rights we should refuse -- on grounds of =
fairness? our=20
love of logic? -- to bomb any violators?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>It seems to me that this logic =
is one that=20
is favorable to violators of human rights everywhere. For by forbidding =
us=20
from acting on violations of human rights in one place unless =
and=20
until we oppose them (at the same time and in the same way) =
wherever they=20
occur, critics of this kind raise the practical bar far too high for any =
state=20
or combination of states to do much of anything.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>-- John</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx"; title=3Ddhenwood@xxxxxxxxx>Doug =
Henwood</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
=
title=3Dfoucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>[email protected]=
ia.edu</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 1999 =
2:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kosova</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>tony ralph wrote:<BR><BR>>On my part, I support =
ineffective=20
bombing by war mongering hypocrits,<BR>>because its better than=20
nothing.<BR><BR>So you advocate a bombing campaign against Britain for =
800=20
years of abusing<BR>Ireland; against Indonesia, for the East Timorese; =
against=20
Turkey, for the<BR>Kurds; and against the U.S., for crimes ranging =
from the=20
genocide directed<BR>against its indigenous populations to the=20
sanctions-induced deaths of about<BR>a million Iraqis since the Gulf =
War, with=20
the murder of a couple of million<BR>Indochinese sandwiched in=20
between?<BR><BR>Doug<BR><BR>--<BR><BR>Doug Henwood<BR>Left Business=20
Observer<BR>250 W 85 St<BR>New York NY 10024-3217 =
USA<BR>+1-212-874-4020=20
voice +1-603-506-6212 fax<BR>email: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx";>mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>w=
eb:=20
<<A=20
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Once again the hoary principle of non-contradiction raises its . . . =
hoary head. Doug Henwood's argument below is like the response we got =
from parents and others as youths: "Well, what if everybody did that?" =
(smoked, refused to go to school, etc.), only reversed; that is, "Well, =
if you bomb Yugoslavia because there are violations of human rights =
there, why aren't you bombing every place in the world where human =
rights violations occur?" And we should be bombing everyplace in the =
world because we want to be consistent?? Or, if we are unable to be =
consistent by bombing all violators of human rights we should refuse -- =
on grounds of fairness? our love of logic? -- to bomb any violators?
It seems to me that this logic is one that is favorable to violators of =
human rights everywhere. For by forbidding us from acting on violations =
of human rights in one place unless and until we oppose them (at the =
same time and in the same way) wherever they occur, critics of this kind =
raise the practical bar far too high for any state or combination of =
states to do much of anything.
-- John
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Doug Henwood=20
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kosova
tony ralph wrote:
>On my part, I support ineffective bombing by war mongering hypocrits,
>because its better than nothing.
So you advocate a bombing campaign against Britain for 800 years of =
abusing
Ireland; against Indonesia, for the East Timorese; against Turkey, for =
the
Kurds; and against the U.S., for crimes ranging from the genocide =
directed
against its indigenous populations to the sanctions-induced deaths of =
about
a million Iraqis since the Gulf War, with the murder of a couple of =
million
Indochinese sandwiched in between?
Doug
--
Doug Henwood
Left Business Observer
250 W 85 St
New York NY 10024-3217 USA
+1-212-874-4020 voice +1-603-506-6212 fax
email: <mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx>
web: <http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/LBO_home.html>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Once again the hoary principle =
of=20
non-contradiction raises its . . . hoary head. Doug Henwood's argument =
below is=20
like the response we got from parents and others as youths: "Well, what =
if=20
everybody did that?" (smoked, refused to go to school, etc.), only =
reversed;=20
that is, "Well, if you bomb Yugoslavia because there are violations of =
human=20
rights there, why aren't you bombing every place in the world where =
human rights=20
violations occur?" And we should be bombing everyplace in the world =
because we=20
want to be consistent?? Or, if we are unable to be consistent by bombing =
all=20
violators of human rights we should refuse -- on grounds of =
fairness? our=20
love of logic? -- to bomb any violators?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>It seems to me that this logic =
is one that=20
is favorable to violators of human rights everywhere. For by forbidding =
us=20
from acting on violations of human rights in one place unless =
and=20
until we oppose them (at the same time and in the same way) =
wherever they=20
occur, critics of this kind raise the practical bar far too high for any =
state=20
or combination of states to do much of anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>-- John</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx"; title=3Ddhenwood@xxxxxxxxx>Doug =
Henwood</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
=
title=3Dfoucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>[email protected]=
ia.edu</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 1999 =
2:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kosova</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>tony ralph wrote:<BR><BR>>On my part, I support =
ineffective=20
bombing by war mongering hypocrits,<BR>>because its better than=20
nothing.<BR><BR>So you advocate a bombing campaign against Britain for =
800=20
years of abusing<BR>Ireland; against Indonesia, for the East Timorese; =
against=20
Turkey, for the<BR>Kurds; and against the U.S., for crimes ranging =
from the=20
genocide directed<BR>against its indigenous populations to the=20
sanctions-induced deaths of about<BR>a million Iraqis since the Gulf =
War, with=20
the murder of a couple of million<BR>Indochinese sandwiched in=20
between?<BR><BR>Doug<BR><BR>--<BR><BR>Doug Henwood<BR>Left Business=20
Observer<BR>250 W 85 St<BR>New York NY 10024-3217 =
USA<BR>+1-212-874-4020=20
voice +1-603-506-6212 fax<BR>email: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx";>mailto:dhenwood@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>w=
eb:=20
<<A=20
=
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