Re: Red Hot Chili Pepper fans

<font size=3D3>Go flatter yourself!!! I mean lets get on the WANK
At 01:53 AM 11/07/01 -0400, you wrote:<br>
&gt;Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers fans...<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 by Nigel Parry<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Nigel Parry worked at Birzeit University between 1994 and 1998.
His <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 from the time, A Personal Diary of the Israeli Palestinian
Conflict, <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 at, documented the post-Oslo experience
&gt;=A0=A0 Palestinians in the Ramallah area. He is also one of the founders
&gt;=A0=A0,&quot;a resource for countering myth,
distortion, and <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 from the Israeli media war machine.&quot;<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 The following e-mail was sent out on 6 July 2001 to several<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Red Hot Chili Peppers mailing lists, and posted on several<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 bulletin boards relating to the band. The best way to raise
&gt;=A0=A0 issue outside of the usual audience remains... raising the<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 issue outside the usual audience. A protest address is<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 included for those who wish to write their own letters to=20
&gt;=A0=A0 band.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers fans,<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 I understand that this message probably isn't the kind you're use=
to on <br>
&gt;the list, but I<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 ask you consider the contents of it thoughtfully.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 All of you will remember that when South Africa was still
operating under <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Apartheid system, bands used to refuse to play there. Sun City,
the most <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 venue there, was the subject of at least one protest song.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Bands wouldn't play there because to do so generated income for
the White <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 African system, and implicitly suggested that they didn't really
mind <br>
&gt;that a racist<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 government had stamped their entry visa. The taxes that were paid
on the <br>
&gt;venue by<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 the promoters went towards prolonging Apartheid, and the venue --
of <br>
&gt;course -- was<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 &quot;for whites only&quot;.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Sadly, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are turning the clock of musical
&gt;conscience back<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 by playing in Israel. This venue will similarly be &quot;for
Israelis only&quot;. <br>
&gt;All 3 million<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Palestinians are prevented by Israel from travelling to Tel Aviv
and are <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 under siege in their towns.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Recent news reports said that the Chili Peppers had decided not t=
go <br>
&gt;because they<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 were worried about the &quot;security situation.&quot; When he
heard about this, <br>
&gt;Bill Clinton<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 rang them and urged them to go, and they changed their mind. They
are <br>
&gt;playing on<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 August 28 in Tel Aviv:
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 Here's the news piece:<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &quot;Clinton has the Red Hot Chili Peppers for
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The Jerusalem Post, 3 June 2001<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 One of the biggest rock bands in the world today=
was about to
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 its planned concert in Tel Aviv, until a former Am=
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 intervened. That, at least, is according to the=
Hebrew daily
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Aharonot.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The paper suggests that Red Hot Chili Peppers was =
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 move because of the security situation.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Former president Bill Clinton reportedly heard of=
the plan
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 personally called the band's lead singer Anthony=
Kiedis to
suggest <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 concert go ahead.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Clinton said the performance would be a vote of=
confidence in
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 diplomatic process and regional peace.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 As a result, the band will play on.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The concert is scheduled for Tel Aviv on August=
&gt;=A0=A0 I have nothing against the band but am writing to you on principl=
&gt;because they are<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 setting an unacceptable example for the millions of people who
love their <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 There is nothing at all wrong with asking them as fans to
reconsider this <br>
&gt;tour date on<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 the basis of supporting human rights for all.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Why exactly is their playing in Israel a bad idea?<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 The news here gives the impression that the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict <br>
&gt;is some sort of<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 war between equal forces, that all Palestinians are terrorists,
and that <br>
&gt;poor Israel has<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 done all it could to make peace with the Palestinians.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 This is as far from the truth as it could be.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Palestinians have been living under a military occupation for 34
years. <br>
&gt;If you were<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Palestinian, and under 34 years of age, all you would know is the
&gt;presence of a<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 foreign army in and around your towns.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 I had the opportunity to experience what that was like between
1994-1998, <br>
&gt;when I<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 lived in the West Bank town of Ramallah and worked at Birzeit
University, <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Harvard or Oxford.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Life there on the ground was bad news for Joe or Jane Palestinian=
who <br>
&gt;you should<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 be aware are not any different from Joe or Jane American or Joe o=
Jane <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 The shocking but banal truth is that the vast majority of
Palestinians <br>
&gt;are normal<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 people just like you and me, living in an abnormal=20
&gt;=A0=A0 Just as Americans aren't responsible as a whole for the actions o=
people <br>
&gt;like Timothy<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 McVeigh, neither are the Palestinians as a whole responsible for
the <br>
&gt;actions of the<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 few of them who carry out terrorist acts.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 After the Oslo process began in 1993, the reality is that things
got very <br>
&gt;bad on the<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 ground for normal people. Very bad. Most human rights violations
&gt;continued or<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 worsened. And today, it's even much worse.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Since 29 September 2000, when the Second Intifada began, Israel
has <br>
&gt;killed over<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 500 Palestinians, crippled 1,500 more, and seriously injured
another <br>
&gt;15,000. Many<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 of these are children. About half of these deaths and injuries
took place <br>
&gt;out outside of<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 clash situations. That means it happened to people in their homes=
on the <br>
&gt;way to<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 school, in restaurants.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 When I was living there, I regularly attended clashes as an
observer and <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 The normal attendee at these were young Palestinians, protesting
the <br>
&gt;occupation with<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 stones thrown at the foreign army on their own land. The foreign
army <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 with live ammunition and the so-called &quot;rubber&quot; bullets
(in reality steel <br>
&gt;balls with a<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 millimeter of rubber or hard plastic coating) that regularly kill
and <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 In every single case I witnessed, at the 30 or so clashes I
attended, <br>
&gt;those Palestinians<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 that were killed were shot out of stone throwing range, ie. at a
distance <br>
&gt;where they<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 posed no threat to the Israeli soldiers. In September 1996,
soldiers <br>
&gt;danced as they<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 shot people dead, giving each other high fives.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 It really was that bad and things are not as they seem on the TV.
There's <br>
&gt;a lot of<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 reasons for that, and some of the following links will give you a=
idea <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Here's another short intro to what really goes on at clashes, a
photo <br>
&gt;story from just<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 one day in March 1997:
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 For more about this, see my online photo diary from the time, A
Personal <br>
&gt;Diary of<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, found at
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 If you want the short version of what's going on now, here's a
Flash <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 summary:
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 Today, since the May 22 &quot;unilateral cease-fire&quot; was
announced (for which <br>
&gt;the Israelis<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 have been unjustifiably commended by countries around the world
for <br>
&gt;&quot;keeping&quot;) it's<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 mind-blowing what's going on on the ground: <br>
&gt;<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 is a day-by-day account of Israeli actions against Palestinians
since the <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 As you read it, imagine living there, and being able to do nothin=
except <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Israeli activist Jeff Halper, sent out a report yesterday that wa=
&gt;similarly shocking, a<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 report about ethnic cleansing going on away from the camera
&gt;=A0=A0 Finally, here is a recent report from Human Rights Watch (a US
&gt;organisation) for<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 those that want a broader overview:
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0 Back to the Peppers. The letter that follows below is written to
the <br>
&gt;Peppers from<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 another fan concerned about the Palestinian people, from his
&gt;=A0=A0 Protest<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 If any of this makes you think that it's a bad idea for the
Peppers to <br>
&gt;play Israel as<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 long as Israel continues its repressive military occupation
against the <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 people, then write and let them know you're a fan and that this
bothers <br>
&gt;you. We used<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 to support bands like U2 and Peter Gabriel for taking stands
against <br>
&gt;South Africa.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 This should be no different.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Keep it simple, be polite, ask them to take a stand for human
rights <br>
&gt;worldwide, and<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 ask them not to support the Israeli state by playing there.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Correspondence can be sent to Starla Angel, the news director of
the <br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Peppers website. Her address is
&gt;=A0=A0 Please ask the Chili Peppers to do the right thing. Any concert i=
a <br>
&gt;country that is<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 brutally repressing a civilian population is not just another tou=
date. <br>
&gt;It's a statement<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 that what's going on doesn't really matter that much. And the
fates of <br>
&gt;people like you<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 and me -- even if they speak a different language and live in
another <br>
&gt;part of the world<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 -- should matter very much.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0 Nigel Parry<br>
<a href=3D""=
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: Raja Swamy<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 8:14 pm<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: Please do not Play in Israel!!!<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers band,<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You are scheduled to play in Israel on August 28,=
2001. It
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 revealed that you reconsidered your earlier=
decision to
desist after<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 former U.S. President, Bill Clinton intervened on=
behalf of
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Consider this:<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You live in a country where you are the minority=
group. Now
the vast<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 numbers of the minority group happens to be 'IN' &=
country&quot; on<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 account of your government having militarily=
attacked, and
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 occupied their land and lives.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Imagine this: for 33 years, the minority group=
faces tanks,
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 soldiers with machine guns, as they walk to school=
plant <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 crops, go to work, drink a cup of tea with=
friends, sing a
song in <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sunset, play soccer with friends, mourn the loss o=
relatives, <br>
&gt;attend each<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 others' weddings, and so on: military occupation=
that is
accompanied <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 constant abuse, physical, and mental abuse,=
irregardless of
whether <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 are a 4 year old boy innocently playing in your=
home or an 80
year <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 retired farmer, watching the sunset in his=
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Abuse at the hands of soldiers, abuse at the hands=
of new
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 people who have suddenly appeared in your=
backyard, in
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 frontyard, in your homes, everywhere, ready to=
take what is
yours <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 generations and generations. The newcomers are=
spiteful, and
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 your land; they want to see you and your people=
dead or gone.
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 soldiers are their buddies; the 'settlers' attack,=
soldiers <br>
&gt;'defend' and<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 you and your community is reduced, reduced,=
reduced from
homes to<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 camps, from smiles to tears, from peace to continu=
nightmares, <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 seeing the young tender plants grow in the ancient=
farms to
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 drowned in seas of blood; 500 Palestinians have=
been killed
by the<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Israeli armed forces since October 2000.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Palestinians have no army, nothing comparable even=
in the
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sense to the armed forces of Israel. They use=
stones, as did
little <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 against the giant Goliath; is that violence, or is=
violence to <br>
&gt;launch a<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 missile from a helicopter against three unarmed el=
ladies <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 for vegetables in the marketplace? The latter=
happened, and
what did<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Israel do? They blamed the Palestinians! Is this=
for real
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You, dear band, represent the culture of youth, re=
&gt;innocent, and<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 yet daring; daring to challenge the arbitrary=
norms and
values <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 by the cultures of older generations; it is tyhe
rebelliousness that <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 show today, that inspired your parents'=
generations to
overthrow the <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 of segragation. Today, Israel practices the worst=
form of
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 against Palestinians, whose land it ocupies=
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Did you know, if you are a Palestinian, you have=
to drive a
car with <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 license plates? Did you know, if you are a=
Palestinian, and
get <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 killed or abused by an Israeli, your attacker will=
get away
scot <br>
&gt;free, with<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 perhaps a scolding from a judge? On the other=
hand, did you
know <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 if you were an Israeli, and accused a Palestinian =
anything, most <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 that Palestinian would be dealt with as if he or=
she were
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Did you know, Israel sanctions torture while most =
reject <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Did you know Israel has young children, (among=
whom could be
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 of your young fans!), in prison, who are locked up=
with adult
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 subject to horrendous torture and sexual abuse?=
For what?
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 throwing stones on an Israeli tank? FOr being Pale=
For being<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 alive? Is this something your conscience can=
overlook? I
doubt it!<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dear, Red Hot Chili Peppers. What would you have=
sung about
if you<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 were Palestinian? Could you hold true to your=
conscience and
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 perform to entertain a nation that engages in such=
Could <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 look into the face of a Palestinian child after=
doing this
and feel <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 about yourselves?<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I think not, dear band. Please reconsider your=
decision. It
will be <br>
&gt;a great<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sign of support for human rights, democracy and=
the equality
of all<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 human beings, as you will help bring Israel to=
account for
its <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 cruelty against the Palestinian people.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 If you would like more information on this issue,=
I would be
more <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 happy to point resources to you and share with you=
facts and
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I urge you to reconsider your decision to play in=
Israel. If
your <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 insist, then you should insist in playing a=
solidarity peace
concert <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 occpuied Palestinian to a Palestinian audience=
too! That
would be<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 something eh!? If not, just imagine, how would it=
have been
if the<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Beatles were made to play in a country where six m=
people were<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 being massacred while German officers and their=
wives were
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 and dancing to 'Its been a hard day's night...' Ju=
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 P.S. If you want to know of other artists who have=
Israel <br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 an act of outrage against Israel's human rights=
violations of
&gt;Palestinians, I<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 will be happy to send you the info.<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sincerely,<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Raja Harish Swamy<br>
&gt;=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Manchester, CT<br>
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