Re: Red Hot Chili Pepper fans


What has this got to do with Foucault or Deleuze and Guattari?

That's not a rhetorical question. You've been posting so much of this
stuff for so many months, and I'm curious: what is the connection that you
seem so passionate about?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Duffy" <cwduff@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:53 PM
Subject: Red Hot Chili Pepper fans

> Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers fans...
> by Nigel Parry
> Nigel Parry worked at Birzeit University between 1994 and 1998. His
> journal
> from the time, A Personal Diary of the Israeli Palestinian Conflict,
> available
> at, documented the post-Oslo experience of
> Palestinians in the Ramallah area. He is also one of the founders of
>,"a resource for countering myth, distortion, and
> spin
> from the Israeli media war machine."
> The following e-mail was sent out on 6 July 2001 to several
> Red Hot Chili Peppers mailing lists, and posted on several
> bulletin boards relating to the band. The best way to raise an
> issue outside of the usual audience remains... raising the
> issue outside the usual audience. A protest address is
> included for those who wish to write their own letters to the
> band.
> Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers fans,
> I understand that this message probably isn't the kind you're used to
> the list, but I
> ask you consider the contents of it thoughtfully.
> All of you will remember that when South Africa was still operating
> an
> Apartheid system, bands used to refuse to play there. Sun City, the
> famous
> venue there, was the subject of at least one protest song.
> Bands wouldn't play there because to do so generated income for the
> South
> African system, and implicitly suggested that they didn't really mind
> that a racist
> government had stamped their entry visa. The taxes that were paid on
> venue by
> the promoters went towards prolonging Apartheid, and the venue -- of
> course -- was
> "for whites only".
> Sadly, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are turning the clock of musical
> conscience back
> by playing in Israel. This venue will similarly be "for Israelis only".
> All 3 million
> Palestinians are prevented by Israel from travelling to Tel Aviv and
> currently
> under siege in their towns.
> Recent news reports said that the Chili Peppers had decided not to go
> because they
> were worried about the "security situation." When he heard about this,
> Bill Clinton
> rang them and urged them to go, and they changed their mind. They are
> playing on
> August 28 in Tel Aviv:
> Here's the news piece:
> "Clinton has the Red Hot Chili Peppers for Israel"
> The Jerusalem Post, 3 June 2001
> One of the biggest rock bands in the world today was about to
> its planned concert in Tel Aviv, until a former American president
> intervened. That, at least, is according to the Hebrew daily
> Aharonot.
> The paper suggests that Red Hot Chili Peppers was considering the
> move because of the security situation.
> Former president Bill Clinton reportedly heard of the plan and
> personally called the band's lead singer Anthony Kiedis to suggest
> the
> concert go ahead.
> Clinton said the performance would be a vote of confidence in the
> diplomatic process and regional peace.
> As a result, the band will play on.
> The concert is scheduled for Tel Aviv on August 28.
> I have nothing against the band but am writing to you on principle
> because they are
> setting an unacceptable example for the millions of people who love
> music.
> There is nothing at all wrong with asking them as fans to reconsider
> tour date on
> the basis of supporting human rights for all.
> Why exactly is their playing in Israel a bad idea?
> The news here gives the impression that the Israeli-Palestinian
> is some sort of
> war between equal forces, that all Palestinians are terrorists, and
> poor Israel has
> done all it could to make peace with the Palestinians.
> This is as far from the truth as it could be.
> Palestinians have been living under a military occupation for 34 years.
> If you were
> Palestinian, and under 34 years of age, all you would know is the
> presence of a
> foreign army in and around your towns.
> I had the opportunity to experience what that was like between
> when I
> lived in the West Bank town of Ramallah and worked at Birzeit
> Palestine's
> Harvard or Oxford.
> Life there on the ground was bad news for Joe or Jane Palestinian, who
> you should
> be aware are not any different from Joe or Jane American or Joe or Jane
> European.
> The shocking but banal truth is that the vast majority of Palestinians
> are normal
> people just like you and me, living in an abnormal situation.
> Just as Americans aren't responsible as a whole for the actions of
> like Timothy
> McVeigh, neither are the Palestinians as a whole responsible for the
> actions of the
> few of them who carry out terrorist acts.
> After the Oslo process began in 1993, the reality is that things got
> bad on the
> ground for normal people. Very bad. Most human rights violations
> continued or
> worsened. And today, it's even much worse.
> Since 29 September 2000, when the Second Intifada began, Israel has
> killed over
> 500 Palestinians, crippled 1,500 more, and seriously injured another
> 15,000. Many
> of these are children. About half of these deaths and injuries took
> out outside of
> clash situations. That means it happened to people in their homes, on
> way to
> school, in restaurants.
> When I was living there, I regularly attended clashes as an observer
> journalist.
> The normal attendee at these were young Palestinians, protesting the
> occupation with
> stones thrown at the foreign army on their own land. The foreign army
> responded
> with live ammunition and the so-called "rubber" bullets (in reality
> balls with a
> millimeter of rubber or hard plastic coating) that regularly kill and
> maim.
> In every single case I witnessed, at the 30 or so clashes I attended,
> those Palestinians
> that were killed were shot out of stone throwing range, ie. at a
> where they
> posed no threat to the Israeli soldiers. In September 1996, soldiers
> danced as they
> shot people dead, giving each other high fives.
> It really was that bad and things are not as they seem on the TV.
> a lot of
> reasons for that, and some of the following links will give you an idea
> why.
> Here's another short intro to what really goes on at clashes, a photo
> story from just
> one day in March 1997:
> For more about this, see my online photo diary from the time, A
> Diary of
> the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, found at
> If you want the short version of what's going on now, here's a Flash
> multimedia
> summary:
> Today, since the May 22 "unilateral cease-fire" was announced (for
> the Israelis
> have been unjustifiably commended by countries around the world for
> "keeping") it's
> mind-blowing what's going on on the ground:
> is a day-by-day account of Israeli actions against Palestinians since
> "cease-fire".
> As you read it, imagine living there, and being able to do nothing
> survive.
> Israeli activist Jeff Halper, sent out a report yesterday that was
> similarly shocking, a
> report about ethnic cleansing going on away from the camera lenses:
> Finally, here is a recent report from Human Rights Watch (a US
> organisation) for
> those that want a broader overview:
> Back to the Peppers. The letter that follows below is written to the
> Peppers from
> another fan concerned about the Palestinian people, from his heart.
> Protest
> If any of this makes you think that it's a bad idea for the Peppers to
> play Israel as
> long as Israel continues its repressive military occupation against the
> Palestinian
> people, then write and let them know you're a fan and that this bothers
> you. We used
> to support bands like U2 and Peter Gabriel for taking stands against
> South Africa.
> This should be no different.
> Keep it simple, be polite, ask them to take a stand for human rights
> worldwide, and
> ask them not to support the Israeli state by playing there.
> Correspondence can be sent to Starla Angel, the news director of the
> official
> Peppers website. Her address is starla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
> Please ask the Chili Peppers to do the right thing. Any concert in a
> country that is
> brutally repressing a civilian population is not just another tour
> It's a statement
> that what's going on doesn't really matter that much. And the fates of
> people like you
> and me -- even if they speak a different language and live in another
> part of the world
> -- should matter very much.
> Nigel Parry
> From: Raja Swamy
> Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 8:14 pm
> Subject: Please do not Play in Israel!!!
> Dear Red Hot Chili Peppers band,
> You are scheduled to play in Israel on August 28, 2001. It was
> revealed that you reconsidered your earlier decision to desist
> former U.S. President, Bill Clinton intervened on behalf of
> Consider this:
> You live in a country where you are the minority group. Now the
> numbers of the minority group happens to be 'IN' "your country" on
> account of your government having militarily attacked, and
> militarily
> occupied their land and lives.
> Imagine this: for 33 years, the minority group faces tanks,
> barricades,
> soldiers with machine guns, as they walk to school everyday, plant
> their
> crops, go to work, drink a cup of tea with friends, sing a song in
> the
> sunset, play soccer with friends, mourn the loss of relatives,
> attend each
> others' weddings, and so on: military occupation that is
> by
> constant abuse, physical, and mental abuse, irregardless of
> you
> are a 4 year old boy innocently playing in your home or an 80 year
> old
> retired farmer, watching the sunset in his backyard.
> Abuse at the hands of soldiers, abuse at the hands of new European
> people who have suddenly appeared in your backyard, in your
> frontyard, in your homes, everywhere, ready to take what is yours
> for
> generations and generations. The newcomers are spiteful, and covet
> your land; they want to see you and your people dead or gone. The
> soldiers are their buddies; the 'settlers' attack, the soldiers
> 'defend' and
> you and your community is reduced, reduced, reduced from homes to
> camps, from smiles to tears, from peace to continuous nightmares,
> from
> seeing the young tender plants grow in the ancient farms to being
> drowned in seas of blood; 500 Palestinians have been killed by the
> Israeli armed forces since October 2000.
> Palestinians have no army, nothing comparable even in the remotest
> sense to the armed forces of Israel. They use stones, as did
> David
> against the giant Goliath; is that violence, or is it violence to
> launch a
> missile from a helicopter against three unarmed elderly ladies
> shopping
> for vegetables in the marketplace? The latter happened, and what
> Israel do? They blamed the Palestinians! Is this for real man?
> You, dear band, represent the culture of youth, rebellious,
> innocent, and
> yet daring; daring to challenge the arbitrary norms and values
> imposed
> by the cultures of older generations; it is tyhe rebelliousness
> you
> show today, that inspired your parents' generations to overthrow
> evil
> of segragation. Today, Israel practices the worst form of
> segragation
> against Palestinians, whose land it ocupies illegally.
> Did you know, if you are a Palestinian, you have to drive a car
> blue
> license plates? Did you know, if you are a Palestinian, and get
> attacked,
> killed or abused by an Israeli, your attacker will get away scot
> free, with
> perhaps a scolding from a judge? On the other hand, did you know
> that
> if you were an Israeli, and accused a Palestinian of anything,
> likely
> that Palestinian would be dealt with as if he or she were guilty?
> Did you know, Israel sanctions torture while most countries reject
> it?
> Did you know Israel has young children, (among whom could be many
> of your young fans!), in prison, who are locked up with adult
> criminals,
> subject to horrendous torture and sexual abuse? For what? For
> throwing stones on an Israeli tank? FOr being Palestinian? For
> alive? Is this something your conscience can overlook? I doubt it!
> Dear, Red Hot Chili Peppers. What would you have sung about if you
> were Palestinian? Could you hold true to your conscience and still
> perform to entertain a nation that engages in such brutality?
> you
> look into the face of a Palestinian child after doing this and
> good
> about yourselves?
> I think not, dear band. Please reconsider your decision. It will
> a great
> sign of support for human rights, democracy and the equality of
> human beings, as you will help bring Israel to account for its
> wanton
> cruelty against the Palestinian people.
> If you would like more information on this issue, I would be more
> than
> happy to point resources to you and share with you facts and
> figures.
> I urge you to reconsider your decision to play in Israel. If your
> sponsors
> insist, then you should insist in playing a solidarity peace
> in
> occpuied Palestinian to a Palestinian audience too! That would be
> something eh!? If not, just imagine, how would it have been if the
> Beatles were made to play in a country where six million people
> being massacred while German officers and their wives were
> and dancing to 'Its been a hard day's night...' Just imagine!
> P.S. If you want to know of other artists who have boycotted
> as
> an act of outrage against Israel's human rights violations of
> Palestinians, I
> will be happy to send you the info.
> Sincerely,
> Raja Harish Swamy
> Manchester, CT
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