Lionel,
I think What Dr. Hanson is attacking has always been a minority view in
America. I am sure Romans and Greeks would not have even dared to match
American ferociousness. Who else would have dared to think of wiping whole
continent of human beings, boming hiroshima and Nagasaki! I think Americans
do not need Dr. Hanson's or Professor Rorty's advice and now Professor
Welzer with his pseudo communitarianism. They are attacking a non entity.
America has been from its day one what Rorty has described it to be:
"?. . . we (Americans) are the first thoroughgoing experiment in national
self-creation: the first nation state with no body but itself to please ?
not even God. We are the greatest poem because we put ourselves in the place
of God; our essence is our existence, and our existence is in the future.
Other nations thought of themselves as hymns to the glory of God. We
redefine God as our future selves?
And Bush has rightly echoed this vision in his much talked about union
address recently:
"?Even seven thousand miles away, across oceans and continents, on mountain
tops and in caves, you will not escape the justice of this nation . . .
Steadfast in our purpose, we now press on. We have known freedom's price. We
have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, my fellow Americans,
we will see freedom's victory".
And it is not limited to Bush. The so called compassionate american 'left'
is no different. Clinton?s Secretary of State Madeline Albright as asked
about the death of ½ million Iraqi children on National TV. She replied that
?it was hard choice? for the administration? but ?we think the price is
worth it?.
No wonder America is the only country in the world to be declared
'terrorist' by the World court!!
Recent Afghan War has seen the new heights of this American ferociousness.
Here is a brief summary.
As the recent events in Afghanistan show the American thirst for blood has
not been quenched in Iraq. It?s so called ?infinite Justice? and crusade for
?enduring freedom? continue to wreak havoc on the downtroddens of the earth.
According to a Pentagon report 18, 000 bombs and missiles have been fired
upon Afghanistan by the first week of March. (Tim McGirk, ?When Bad
information Kills People?, Time March 11, 2002). The U.S. has delivered
approximately 14,500 land mines by 'air delivery' in the form of unexploded
bombs to Afghan civilians as part of 'Enduring Freedom', which will keep
reminding them of the ?fruits? of freedom for a long time to come (Lisa
Getter, "Silent Peril Lies in Wait for Afghanistan's People," Los Angeles
Times December 1, 2001). The U.S. Air Force has used weapons with enormous
destructive capability--including fuel air bombs, B-52 carpet bombs,
BLU-82s, and CBU-87 cluster bombs to ?daisy cutter bomb? and the BLU-118B
thermobaric bomb, known as the "Big Blue Two" bomb. The Pentagon spokesman
described the ?daisy cutter bomb? as ?the deadliest bomb in the world other
than nuclear weapons?. It weighs 15, 000 pounds (about 6, 800 kg), and
according to the Pentagon spokesperson Stuffebeen ?can literally eliminate
everything around the area with the radius of 600 yards? (Reported by Xinhua
News Agency, December 10, 2001). In the recent fight around the Gardez area
?more than 80 thermobaric bombs had already been dropped by Sunday, with the
explosions heard as far as 20 miles away? (reported in The Guardian March 4,
2002). According to the report these ? 2,000lb laser-guided bombs penetrate
complexes and disperse clouds of explosive particles which are detonated by
a delayed-action fuse. The blast sucks up oxygen, creating a blast which
collapses lungs, breaks eardrums, and pulls out eyes? (ibid.). The
disarmament spokesman at Greenpeace, William Peden, described the bombs as
similar to weapons of mass destruction. He said, "They are inhumane and
should not be used in a conventional war context," (ibid.).
America has mercilessly and indiscriminately bombed graveyards, hospitals,
mosques, wedding parties, prayer congregations, caravans, nomads and almost
everything moving. It has destroyed any remaining infrastructure left after
years of destruction. It has bombed and destroyed telephone exchanges, power
stations, electric grids, hydroelectric power stations, independent news
agencies, utilities, educational institutions, and almost everything and
anything (I have summarised this from relatively independent Western news
papers like The Guardian and The Independent London, of the period from
October 17, 2001 to March 12, 2002. For a very helpful chronology of events
from September 11, 2001 to December 2001, see ?Timeline: September 11 and
its aftermath: the war in Afghanistan until December 31, 2001? in Social
Education, vol. 66 no. 1 Jan-Feb 2002, 25-28).
American indiscriminate bombardment of civilian and civilian facilities is
not unintentional as it is often claimed, it is the direct consequence of
American unwillingness to sustain any casualties in the War. As John
MacLachlen Gray writes: "...better stand clear and fire away. Given this
implicit decision, the slaughter of innocent people, as a statistical
eventuality is not an accident but a priority--in which Afghan civilian
casualties are substituted for American military casualties." ( Maclachlen
Gray, ?Working the Dark Side,?, The Toronto Globe & Mail, October 31,
2001.).
Foucault once characterised racism as thrist for blood. May be Americanism
can be defined as thirst for blood better than racism.
that is it for now.
best regards
ali
The successful resort to overwhelming power against defenseless enemies has
a bad effect on the character"
NOam Chomsky
For the US, this is the first time since the War of 1812 that its national
territory has been under attack, even threat. Its colonies have been
attacked, but not the national territory itself. During these years the US
virtually exterminated the indigenous population, conquered a large part of
Mexico, intervened violently in the surrounding region, conquered Hawaii and
the Philippines (killing hundreds of thousands of Filipinos), and in the
past half century particularly, extended its resort to force throughout much
of the world. The number of victims is colossal. For the first time, the
guns have been directed the other way. The same is true, even more
dramatically, of Europe. Europe has suffered murderous destruction, but from
internal wars, meanwhile conquering much of the world with extreme
brutality. It has not been under attack by its victims outside, with rare
exceptions. It is therefore natural that NATO should quickly rally to the
support of the US; hundreds of years of imperial violence have an enormous
impact on the intellectual and moral culture.
Noam Chomsky
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From: Lionel Boxer <lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Train More Terrorists!!
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:27:23
Nate Goralnik <rhizome85@xxxxxxxxx>
In light of Nate's comments, what does the following article suggest?:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2002/february/default.htm
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I think What Dr. Hanson is attacking has always been a minority view in
America. I am sure Romans and Greeks would not have even dared to match
American ferociousness. Who else would have dared to think of wiping whole
continent of human beings, boming hiroshima and Nagasaki! I think Americans
do not need Dr. Hanson's or Professor Rorty's advice and now Professor
Welzer with his pseudo communitarianism. They are attacking a non entity.
America has been from its day one what Rorty has described it to be:
"?. . . we (Americans) are the first thoroughgoing experiment in national
self-creation: the first nation state with no body but itself to please ?
not even God. We are the greatest poem because we put ourselves in the place
of God; our essence is our existence, and our existence is in the future.
Other nations thought of themselves as hymns to the glory of God. We
redefine God as our future selves?
And Bush has rightly echoed this vision in his much talked about union
address recently:
"?Even seven thousand miles away, across oceans and continents, on mountain
tops and in caves, you will not escape the justice of this nation . . .
Steadfast in our purpose, we now press on. We have known freedom's price. We
have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, my fellow Americans,
we will see freedom's victory".
And it is not limited to Bush. The so called compassionate american 'left'
is no different. Clinton?s Secretary of State Madeline Albright as asked
about the death of ½ million Iraqi children on National TV. She replied that
?it was hard choice? for the administration? but ?we think the price is
worth it?.
No wonder America is the only country in the world to be declared
'terrorist' by the World court!!
Recent Afghan War has seen the new heights of this American ferociousness.
Here is a brief summary.
As the recent events in Afghanistan show the American thirst for blood has
not been quenched in Iraq. It?s so called ?infinite Justice? and crusade for
?enduring freedom? continue to wreak havoc on the downtroddens of the earth.
According to a Pentagon report 18, 000 bombs and missiles have been fired
upon Afghanistan by the first week of March. (Tim McGirk, ?When Bad
information Kills People?, Time March 11, 2002). The U.S. has delivered
approximately 14,500 land mines by 'air delivery' in the form of unexploded
bombs to Afghan civilians as part of 'Enduring Freedom', which will keep
reminding them of the ?fruits? of freedom for a long time to come (Lisa
Getter, "Silent Peril Lies in Wait for Afghanistan's People," Los Angeles
Times December 1, 2001). The U.S. Air Force has used weapons with enormous
destructive capability--including fuel air bombs, B-52 carpet bombs,
BLU-82s, and CBU-87 cluster bombs to ?daisy cutter bomb? and the BLU-118B
thermobaric bomb, known as the "Big Blue Two" bomb. The Pentagon spokesman
described the ?daisy cutter bomb? as ?the deadliest bomb in the world other
than nuclear weapons?. It weighs 15, 000 pounds (about 6, 800 kg), and
according to the Pentagon spokesperson Stuffebeen ?can literally eliminate
everything around the area with the radius of 600 yards? (Reported by Xinhua
News Agency, December 10, 2001). In the recent fight around the Gardez area
?more than 80 thermobaric bombs had already been dropped by Sunday, with the
explosions heard as far as 20 miles away? (reported in The Guardian March 4,
2002). According to the report these ? 2,000lb laser-guided bombs penetrate
complexes and disperse clouds of explosive particles which are detonated by
a delayed-action fuse. The blast sucks up oxygen, creating a blast which
collapses lungs, breaks eardrums, and pulls out eyes? (ibid.). The
disarmament spokesman at Greenpeace, William Peden, described the bombs as
similar to weapons of mass destruction. He said, "They are inhumane and
should not be used in a conventional war context," (ibid.).
America has mercilessly and indiscriminately bombed graveyards, hospitals,
mosques, wedding parties, prayer congregations, caravans, nomads and almost
everything moving. It has destroyed any remaining infrastructure left after
years of destruction. It has bombed and destroyed telephone exchanges, power
stations, electric grids, hydroelectric power stations, independent news
agencies, utilities, educational institutions, and almost everything and
anything (I have summarised this from relatively independent Western news
papers like The Guardian and The Independent London, of the period from
October 17, 2001 to March 12, 2002. For a very helpful chronology of events
from September 11, 2001 to December 2001, see ?Timeline: September 11 and
its aftermath: the war in Afghanistan until December 31, 2001? in Social
Education, vol. 66 no. 1 Jan-Feb 2002, 25-28).
American indiscriminate bombardment of civilian and civilian facilities is
not unintentional as it is often claimed, it is the direct consequence of
American unwillingness to sustain any casualties in the War. As John
MacLachlen Gray writes: "...better stand clear and fire away. Given this
implicit decision, the slaughter of innocent people, as a statistical
eventuality is not an accident but a priority--in which Afghan civilian
casualties are substituted for American military casualties." ( Maclachlen
Gray, ?Working the Dark Side,?, The Toronto Globe & Mail, October 31,
2001.).
Foucault once characterised racism as thrist for blood. May be Americanism
can be defined as thirst for blood better than racism.
that is it for now.
best regards
ali
The successful resort to overwhelming power against defenseless enemies has
a bad effect on the character"
NOam Chomsky
For the US, this is the first time since the War of 1812 that its national
territory has been under attack, even threat. Its colonies have been
attacked, but not the national territory itself. During these years the US
virtually exterminated the indigenous population, conquered a large part of
Mexico, intervened violently in the surrounding region, conquered Hawaii and
the Philippines (killing hundreds of thousands of Filipinos), and in the
past half century particularly, extended its resort to force throughout much
of the world. The number of victims is colossal. For the first time, the
guns have been directed the other way. The same is true, even more
dramatically, of Europe. Europe has suffered murderous destruction, but from
internal wars, meanwhile conquering much of the world with extreme
brutality. It has not been under attack by its victims outside, with rare
exceptions. It is therefore natural that NATO should quickly rally to the
support of the US; hundreds of years of imperial violence have an enormous
impact on the intellectual and moral culture.
Noam Chomsky
----Original Message Follows----
From: Lionel Boxer <lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
deleuze-guattari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Train More Terrorists!!
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:27:23
Nate Goralnik <rhizome85@xxxxxxxxx>
In light of Nate's comments, what does the following article suggest?:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2002/february/default.htm
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