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<P>The recruit is affected by and becomes part of the military gaze. Docility and utility are parts of governmentality.</P>
<DIV>>From: PsycheCulture@xxxxxx </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Warfare as Submission
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:30:44 EST
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<DIV></DIV>>In a message dated 11/3/02 7:05:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<DIV></DIV>>npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<DIV></DIV>> > welcome Richard Koenigsberg's point that " The idea that the soldier acts
<DIV></DIV>> > from a position of "domination" is one of the fundamental delusions
<DIV></DIV>> > surrounding the institution of warfare." This is a valuable corrective.
<DIV></DIV>> > Nevertheless, it must be understood in relation to the systematic way in
<DIV></DIV>> > which this delusion is inculcated into recruits. Consider the following
<DIV></DIV>> > account, which is interesting when read
<DIV></DIV>> > side-by-side with Koenigsberg's.
<DIV></DIV>> > -Nate
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I suggest that the dynamic comes from both sides. The recruit is
<DIV></DIV>>"inculcated" into the delusion of submission as domination by those in power.
<DIV></DIV>>However the recruit also attaches to power in order to create within himself
<DIV></DIV>>the fantasy of domination (that by submitting to power he will become
<DIV></DIV>>dominant).
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I am suggesting that power is a human creation; that we create (and
<DIV></DIV>>imagine) the idea that are persons "above us" in order to feel that there is
<DIV></DIV>>something to bow down to.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> We "discipline and punish" ourselves in order to put ourselves under
<DIV></DIV>>control. It is the fantasy or need that creates (is the source of/gives rise
<DIV></DIV>>to) the reality, which then appears as a "thing" independent of our own will.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Best regards,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Richard K.
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<DIV></DIV>>Richard Koenigsberg, Ph. D.
<DIV></DIV>>Director, Library of Social Science
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<P>The recruit is affected by and becomes part of the military gaze. Docility and utility are parts of governmentality.</P>
<DIV>>From: PsycheCulture@xxxxxx </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Warfare as Submission
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:30:44 EST
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>In a message dated 11/3/02 7:05:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<DIV></DIV>>npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<DIV></DIV>> > welcome Richard Koenigsberg's point that " The idea that the soldier acts
<DIV></DIV>> > from a position of "domination" is one of the fundamental delusions
<DIV></DIV>> > surrounding the institution of warfare." This is a valuable corrective.
<DIV></DIV>> > Nevertheless, it must be understood in relation to the systematic way in
<DIV></DIV>> > which this delusion is inculcated into recruits. Consider the following
<DIV></DIV>> > account, which is interesting when read
<DIV></DIV>> > side-by-side with Koenigsberg's.
<DIV></DIV>> > -Nate
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I suggest that the dynamic comes from both sides. The recruit is
<DIV></DIV>>"inculcated" into the delusion of submission as domination by those in power.
<DIV></DIV>>However the recruit also attaches to power in order to create within himself
<DIV></DIV>>the fantasy of domination (that by submitting to power he will become
<DIV></DIV>>dominant).
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I am suggesting that power is a human creation; that we create (and
<DIV></DIV>>imagine) the idea that are persons "above us" in order to feel that there is
<DIV></DIV>>something to bow down to.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> We "discipline and punish" ourselves in order to put ourselves under
<DIV></DIV>>control. It is the fantasy or need that creates (is the source of/gives rise
<DIV></DIV>>to) the reality, which then appears as a "thing" independent of our own will.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Best regards,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Richard K.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Richard Koenigsberg, Ph. D.
<DIV></DIV>>Director, Library of Social Science
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