Hi Stuart,
Nice to hear from you after long time.
Recently I was revising a paper on Foucault and capitalism and reread your
stuff on Discipline and Punish and your reviews of Foucault's lectures, so
references came naturally to me. I particularly enjoyed your piece on, Il
Faut Defendre La Societe.
Review has been published but I have not received my copy yet. I will send
it to you as I receive it. Last semester I had an opportunity to tutor in a
course on Heidegger. I had a chance to read Heidegger bit further and I
concluded that most of my criticism of your work might be totally wrong!
What feeling!
I would love to know of your opinion about 'two sense of state' distinction.
Nice to know of your research excursions to Paris. I think Kant thesis still
need the attention of Foucault scholars. What I have read in the form of
excerpts here and there makes me think it is a rich work full of insights.
All the best
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Stuart Elden <stuartelden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:14:45 +0100
Hi Ali
Would like to see you piece mentioned here. thanks for the plugs for my
work.
just got back from paris, where i had a couple of days at the Foucault
archive. the thesis on Kant's Anthropology is interesting, and the
Rabinow/Dreyfus interview transcripts too.
Did the review ever appear? i'd love to have a copy
I did hope to reply to your 'two senses of the state' piece sometime back,
but no luck. maybe soon
best wishes
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ali Rizvi
Sent: 10 July 2003 00:39
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Hi Mariana,
If you want to pursue the conception of freedom I mention further. I
recommend the following
1) Fred A Dallmayr "Ontology of Freedom, Heidegger and Political Philosophy"
Political theory vol 12 no. 2 May 1984: 204-234.
2) Martin Heidegger, The essence of human freedom : an introduction to
philosophy ,
London : Continuum, 2002.
For Foucault's cocneption of freedom on this line, I recomment the
following.
1) Olivia Custer Exercising Freedom: Kant and Foucault, Philosophy-Today.
1998; 42(Supp): 137-146.
For Foucault on Freedom and Subject see a short but essential piece
Subject and Power, by Foucault reproduced in Dreyfus and Rabinow's Foucault
as Afterward alos reprduced in Essential Foucault vol. 3
On subject generally history of sexuality as you say is important but also
Discipline and Punsihment which is essentially a history of modern subject
(see on his Stuart Elden, Mappying the Present) and also Foucualt's lectures
entitled, L'Hermeneutique du sujet : Cours au Collge de France (1981-1982).
Also see, LHermneutique du sujet: Cours au Collge de France (1981-82)
(Michel Foucault), The Heythrop Journal, Vol 44 No 1, January 2003, pp.
88-91 by Stuart Elden. We had also a discussion gropu on this. Some one on
here might have its archives saved with them.
I have a very rough draft of a long paper on Foucualt and freedom. If you
like i would be happy to forward it.
Best
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Mariana Intagliata <intagliata@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:00:41 -0300
Hi Ali,
that's a good point you make. It's very difficult for me to think about
freedom that way. That's why I was asking, not to read Foucault the way I
think, but to understand what he really means.
Now I'm going to rethink things in those terms. I've got new questions
but maybe I'll find an answer as I develop these ideas.
I need to read more Foucault, considering I've only read
-Technologies of the Self: A Seminar With Michel Foucault;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 1, an Introduction;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 2, The Use of Pleasure;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 3, The Care of The Self;
-A verdade e as formas juridicas.
Knowing that and bearing in mind that I'm interested in the relation
between the subjects and freedom, what should I read next? any suggestions?
Best regards,
Mariana
-----Mensaje original-----
De: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]En nombre de Ali Rizvi
Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Julio de 2003 08:35 p.m.
Para: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: Re: Subjects
Hi
I think it is a problematic issue only if we take an old view of
freedom to
our heart. A view of freedom which counterpose freedom to limits.
However, I
believe, Foucuault is working with an entirely different and a new
conception of freedom where limits are considered as the condition of
freedom and not necessarily hinderence to it.[And I believe Foucault took
this conception of freedom from Heidegger] Only cenrtain constellations of
limits produce domination not limits per se. That is why analysis must be
concrete and historically specific.
About books I am not sure but Foucault's own books are a starting
point. May
be if you have not read Foucualt before start with Foucault Reader.
Best luck.
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Mariana Intagliata <intagliata@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Subjects
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:04:18 -0300
Any thoughts on how to reconcile the subject that's a product of the
technologies of power with the self creating subject of the technologies of
the self? any books that you can recommend on the matter? is it a
problematic issue or not?
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Nice to hear from you after long time.
Recently I was revising a paper on Foucault and capitalism and reread your
stuff on Discipline and Punish and your reviews of Foucault's lectures, so
references came naturally to me. I particularly enjoyed your piece on, Il
Faut Defendre La Societe.
Review has been published but I have not received my copy yet. I will send
it to you as I receive it. Last semester I had an opportunity to tutor in a
course on Heidegger. I had a chance to read Heidegger bit further and I
concluded that most of my criticism of your work might be totally wrong!
What feeling!
I would love to know of your opinion about 'two sense of state' distinction.
Nice to know of your research excursions to Paris. I think Kant thesis still
need the attention of Foucault scholars. What I have read in the form of
excerpts here and there makes me think it is a rich work full of insights.
All the best
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Stuart Elden <stuartelden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:14:45 +0100
Hi Ali
Would like to see you piece mentioned here. thanks for the plugs for my
work.
just got back from paris, where i had a couple of days at the Foucault
archive. the thesis on Kant's Anthropology is interesting, and the
Rabinow/Dreyfus interview transcripts too.
Did the review ever appear? i'd love to have a copy
I did hope to reply to your 'two senses of the state' piece sometime back,
but no luck. maybe soon
best wishes
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ali Rizvi
Sent: 10 July 2003 00:39
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Hi Mariana,
If you want to pursue the conception of freedom I mention further. I
recommend the following
1) Fred A Dallmayr "Ontology of Freedom, Heidegger and Political Philosophy"
Political theory vol 12 no. 2 May 1984: 204-234.
2) Martin Heidegger, The essence of human freedom : an introduction to
philosophy ,
London : Continuum, 2002.
For Foucault's cocneption of freedom on this line, I recomment the
following.
1) Olivia Custer Exercising Freedom: Kant and Foucault, Philosophy-Today.
1998; 42(Supp): 137-146.
For Foucault on Freedom and Subject see a short but essential piece
Subject and Power, by Foucault reproduced in Dreyfus and Rabinow's Foucault
as Afterward alos reprduced in Essential Foucault vol. 3
On subject generally history of sexuality as you say is important but also
Discipline and Punsihment which is essentially a history of modern subject
(see on his Stuart Elden, Mappying the Present) and also Foucualt's lectures
entitled, L'Hermeneutique du sujet : Cours au Collge de France (1981-1982).
Also see, LHermneutique du sujet: Cours au Collge de France (1981-82)
(Michel Foucault), The Heythrop Journal, Vol 44 No 1, January 2003, pp.
88-91 by Stuart Elden. We had also a discussion gropu on this. Some one on
here might have its archives saved with them.
I have a very rough draft of a long paper on Foucualt and freedom. If you
like i would be happy to forward it.
Best
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Mariana Intagliata <intagliata@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Subjects
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:00:41 -0300
Hi Ali,
that's a good point you make. It's very difficult for me to think about
freedom that way. That's why I was asking, not to read Foucault the way I
think, but to understand what he really means.
Now I'm going to rethink things in those terms. I've got new questions
but maybe I'll find an answer as I develop these ideas.
I need to read more Foucault, considering I've only read
-Technologies of the Self: A Seminar With Michel Foucault;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 1, an Introduction;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 2, The Use of Pleasure;
-The History of Sexuality: Volume 3, The Care of The Self;
-A verdade e as formas juridicas.
Knowing that and bearing in mind that I'm interested in the relation
between the subjects and freedom, what should I read next? any suggestions?
Best regards,
Mariana
-----Mensaje original-----
De: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]En nombre de Ali Rizvi
Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Julio de 2003 08:35 p.m.
Para: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: Re: Subjects
Hi
I think it is a problematic issue only if we take an old view of
freedom to
our heart. A view of freedom which counterpose freedom to limits.
However, I
believe, Foucuault is working with an entirely different and a new
conception of freedom where limits are considered as the condition of
freedom and not necessarily hinderence to it.[And I believe Foucault took
this conception of freedom from Heidegger] Only cenrtain constellations of
limits produce domination not limits per se. That is why analysis must be
concrete and historically specific.
About books I am not sure but Foucault's own books are a starting
point. May
be if you have not read Foucualt before start with Foucault Reader.
Best luck.
ali
----Original Message Follows----
From: Mariana Intagliata <intagliata@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Subjects
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:04:18 -0300
Any thoughts on how to reconcile the subject that's a product of the
technologies of power with the self creating subject of the technologies of
the self? any books that you can recommend on the matter? is it a
problematic issue or not?
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