Oops, in my previous email the word "not" is missing before "think". It
should therefore read as follows:
As regards Foucault's remark that he does not think that a society can
exist without power relations, I find this reather similar to
Althusser's concept of Ideology as being eternal, and that Ideological
State Apparatuses will always exist.
Michael Briguglio
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:42:16 +0200 "Michael Briguglio" wrote:
> As regards Foucault's remark that he does think that a society can exist
> without power relations, I find this reather similar to Althusser's
> concept
> of Ideology as being eternal, and that Ideological State Apparatuses will
> always exist.
>
> Michael Briguglio (Malta)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "claudius" <claudius.laumanns@xxxxxx>
> To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Gouvernementality / Il faut défendre la société
>
>
> >
> >
> > A) I have just read the german discussion in historical science about
> > anthropological methodlogy "Alltagsgeschichte" vs. Sociologist
> > methology, "historische Sozialwissenschaft", so i am looking forward to
> > check this solid one! (I am kidding, it sounds really nice, thanks a
> > lot!)
> >
> > B) I see i was wrong about this. I have my view about the Habermas-
> > Foucault controversy from Achim Bühl same title in Prokla 130 (2003)
> > where he says the Habermas- Foucault controversy didn't happen, in fact
> > it was an artifact of the american intellectual context. (p. 164) They
> > also say Habermas ruined the reception of Foucault in germany. There are
> > many social scientists around here, who want to "burn that
> > poststructuralist witches" because of these disguisting things they say
> > about individual and society. Anyway this messy reception brought us
> > Thomas Lemke's "eine Kritik der politischen Vernunft" wich was written
> > in Frankfurt, Habermas's home base, that's why i told about this. It's a
> > book about the gouvernmentality, based on the original audio tapes, we
> > young Göttinger radicals love it because of it's "state" theory. (except
> > those who like Adorno).
> >
> > see also http://www.thomaslemkeweb.de
> >
> > Claudius
> >
> >
> >
> > A. Regulating the Social
> >
> > George Steinmetz has written a book "Regulating the Social: The Welfare
> > State and Local Politics
> > in Imperial Germany" (1993 Princeton Univ. Press). This is a solid
> > historical sociology to explain the emergence of the social, at which
> > welfare policies were targeted, in Imperial Germany by using Foucault
> > along
> > with other theories of the state and/or governmentality.
> >
> > B. Foucault on Habermas
> >
> > In his essay "The Ethics of the Concern of the Self as a Practice of
> > Freedom" (in Ethics: Subjectivity and Truth, edited by Paul Rainbow),
> > Foucault said: "I imagine you are thinking a little about Habermas when
> > you
> > say that. I am quite interested in his work, although I know he
> > completely
> > disagrees with my views.... I do not think that a society can exist
> > without
> > power relations, if by that one means the strategies by which
> > individuals
> > try to direct and control the conduct of others. The problem, then, is
> > not
> > to try to dissolve them in the utopia of completely transparent
> > communication but to acquire the rules of law, the management
> > techniques,
> > and also the morality, the ethos, the practice of the self, that will
> > allow
> > us to play these games of power with as little domination as possible"
> > (298).
> >
> > Therefore, it is possible to say that Habermas and Foucault start from
> > two
> > opposite poles, but try to reach the very similar goal. Butler, Laclau,
> > and
> > Zizek in their "Contingency, Hegemony, Universality" (2000) in a sense
> > recasts the Habermas-Foucault debate over the relationship between
> > democracy
> > and power.
> >
> > Hiro
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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should therefore read as follows:
As regards Foucault's remark that he does not think that a society can
exist without power relations, I find this reather similar to
Althusser's concept of Ideology as being eternal, and that Ideological
State Apparatuses will always exist.
Michael Briguglio
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:42:16 +0200 "Michael Briguglio" wrote:
> As regards Foucault's remark that he does think that a society can exist
> without power relations, I find this reather similar to Althusser's
> concept
> of Ideology as being eternal, and that Ideological State Apparatuses will
> always exist.
>
> Michael Briguglio (Malta)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "claudius" <claudius.laumanns@xxxxxx>
> To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Gouvernementality / Il faut défendre la société
>
>
> >
> >
> > A) I have just read the german discussion in historical science about
> > anthropological methodlogy "Alltagsgeschichte" vs. Sociologist
> > methology, "historische Sozialwissenschaft", so i am looking forward to
> > check this solid one! (I am kidding, it sounds really nice, thanks a
> > lot!)
> >
> > B) I see i was wrong about this. I have my view about the Habermas-
> > Foucault controversy from Achim Bühl same title in Prokla 130 (2003)
> > where he says the Habermas- Foucault controversy didn't happen, in fact
> > it was an artifact of the american intellectual context. (p. 164) They
> > also say Habermas ruined the reception of Foucault in germany. There are
> > many social scientists around here, who want to "burn that
> > poststructuralist witches" because of these disguisting things they say
> > about individual and society. Anyway this messy reception brought us
> > Thomas Lemke's "eine Kritik der politischen Vernunft" wich was written
> > in Frankfurt, Habermas's home base, that's why i told about this. It's a
> > book about the gouvernmentality, based on the original audio tapes, we
> > young Göttinger radicals love it because of it's "state" theory. (except
> > those who like Adorno).
> >
> > see also http://www.thomaslemkeweb.de
> >
> > Claudius
> >
> >
> >
> > A. Regulating the Social
> >
> > George Steinmetz has written a book "Regulating the Social: The Welfare
> > State and Local Politics
> > in Imperial Germany" (1993 Princeton Univ. Press). This is a solid
> > historical sociology to explain the emergence of the social, at which
> > welfare policies were targeted, in Imperial Germany by using Foucault
> > along
> > with other theories of the state and/or governmentality.
> >
> > B. Foucault on Habermas
> >
> > In his essay "The Ethics of the Concern of the Self as a Practice of
> > Freedom" (in Ethics: Subjectivity and Truth, edited by Paul Rainbow),
> > Foucault said: "I imagine you are thinking a little about Habermas when
> > you
> > say that. I am quite interested in his work, although I know he
> > completely
> > disagrees with my views.... I do not think that a society can exist
> > without
> > power relations, if by that one means the strategies by which
> > individuals
> > try to direct and control the conduct of others. The problem, then, is
> > not
> > to try to dissolve them in the utopia of completely transparent
> > communication but to acquire the rules of law, the management
> > techniques,
> > and also the morality, the ethos, the practice of the self, that will
> > allow
> > us to play these games of power with as little domination as possible"
> > (298).
> >
> > Therefore, it is possible to say that Habermas and Foucault start from
> > two
> > opposite poles, but try to reach the very similar goal. Butler, Laclau,
> > and
> > Zizek in their "Contingency, Hegemony, Universality" (2000) in a sense
> > recasts the Habermas-Foucault debate over the relationship between
> > democracy
> > and power.
> >
> > Hiro
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality!
> > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam
> >
> >
>
>
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