Gutting's other book is Michel Foucault's Archaeology of Scientific
Reason<http://www.amazon.com/Michel-Foucaults-Archaeology-Scientific-Reason/dp/0521366984/ref=sr_1_5/102-8889548-0396104?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190559023&sr=1-5>.
It's a good book, and certainly worth the read.
-Nate
On 9/23/07, suniti sharma <suniti_sharma@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Gutting's book is titled:
> Foucault A Very Short Introduction
> Oxford University Press
>
>
> --- John narayan <thesignofthetimes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Jared,
> >
> > Tricky question that will no doubt get different
> > answers.
> >
> > I am of the persuasion that there is a break in the
> > two methodologies;
> > mainly because I take archaeology to suffer from
> > issues it never gets
> > around. For example,
> >
> > 1) The relationship between the Discursive and
> > Non-Discursive (something I
> > think genealogy gets round via its focus on
> > practises).
> > 2) The generality of the archives Foucault describes
> > and what could be
> > argued to be a return of a quasi-transcendental in
> > his own work.
> > 3) The reflexivity and epistemological status of
> > Foucault's own
> > archaeologies.
> >
> > You can see Foucault grappling with some of these
> > problems; for example, see
> > the English preface to the Order of Things and the
> > Archaeology of Knowledge.
> >
> > On the other hand, other authors don't see the above
> > problems in Archaeology
> > (I'm thinking of Gutting's book but can't remember
> > the title).
> >
> > Foucault is pretty patchy on highlighting the
> > differences between the two
> > methods but the book I found most helpful was by
> > Todd May:
> >
> > (1993), Between Genealogy and Epistemology:
> > Psychology, politics and
> > Knowledge in the Thought of Michel Foucault
> > (University Park, PA:
> > Pennsylvania Press)
> >
> > I don't know you familiarity level concerning
> > Foucault's work, but if not
> > high, try reading May's introduction to Foucault
> > beforehand, which does a
> > good job of introducing the differences whilst
> > stressing the continuity
> > between the two methods.
> >
> > BTW, I would not get too bogged down in Foucault's
> > recasting of his own
> > project, it happens at various times throughout his
> > career. And roughly, the
> > works do all address the historical ontology of
> > ourselves that Foucault
> > denotes in What is Enlightenment.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jared Kennard" <jaredkennard@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [Foucault-L] Genealogy Archaeology Divide
> > >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:36:05 -0600
> > >
> > >This question may seem a bit naive but I will ask
> > it anyway. I have been
> > >doing some research on Foucault's genealogy and
> > archaeology and have come
> > >to
> > >the conclusion that in the course of his work the
> > latter is more or less
> > >replaced by the former. I began my inquiry with
> > the understanding that the
> > >early works of Foucault were conducted under a sort
> > of rubric of
> > >archaeology, as he lays out in various places. It
> > seems, however, that he
> > >finds this method unsatisfactory and moves to the
> > genealogical method
> > >instead. My problem is that in stead of a clean
> > break or clear
> > >differentiation between the two methodologies he
> > seems to simply recast his
> > >works as works of genealogy instead of archaeology.
> > In the interview he
> > >gave with Rabinow and Dreyfus entitled "On the
> > Genealogy of Ethics" he
> > >states that: "three domains of genealogy are
> > possible," and that "all three
> > >were present...in Madness and Civilization."
> > Furthermore, The Birth of the
> > >Clinic and The Order of Things studied one of these
> > three axis, while
> > >Discipline and Punish and History of Sexuality
> > Studied the other two. With
> > >out getting into the specifics of what these three
> > possibilities are, since
> > >that doesn't seem relevant to the problem at hand,
> > it does seem quite
> > >obvious that he is brushing over earlier statements
> > he has made about his
> > >early works being archaeology's; or perhaps he is
> > attempting to apply a
> > >sort
> > >of discursive eraser.
> > >
> > >Ultimately my problem boils down to this: if what I
> > have said above is
> > >correct than where, if anywhere, does he talk about
> > this move he has made?
> > >Has archaeology been removed as an analytical tool
> > due to the problems this
> > >methodology creates? And if so in what ways does
> > genealogy differ from its
> > >predecessor? How is it that the genealogical form
> > can simply replace the
> > >archaeological one?
> > >
> > >Any help or suggestions would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > >
> > >Jared
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> _________________________________________________________________
> > Can you see your house from the sky? Try Live Search
> > Maps
> > http://maps.live.com
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
--
Nathaniel Roberts
ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Anthropology
London School of Economics
Reason<http://www.amazon.com/Michel-Foucaults-Archaeology-Scientific-Reason/dp/0521366984/ref=sr_1_5/102-8889548-0396104?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190559023&sr=1-5>.
It's a good book, and certainly worth the read.
-Nate
On 9/23/07, suniti sharma <suniti_sharma@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Gutting's book is titled:
> Foucault A Very Short Introduction
> Oxford University Press
>
>
> --- John narayan <thesignofthetimes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Jared,
> >
> > Tricky question that will no doubt get different
> > answers.
> >
> > I am of the persuasion that there is a break in the
> > two methodologies;
> > mainly because I take archaeology to suffer from
> > issues it never gets
> > around. For example,
> >
> > 1) The relationship between the Discursive and
> > Non-Discursive (something I
> > think genealogy gets round via its focus on
> > practises).
> > 2) The generality of the archives Foucault describes
> > and what could be
> > argued to be a return of a quasi-transcendental in
> > his own work.
> > 3) The reflexivity and epistemological status of
> > Foucault's own
> > archaeologies.
> >
> > You can see Foucault grappling with some of these
> > problems; for example, see
> > the English preface to the Order of Things and the
> > Archaeology of Knowledge.
> >
> > On the other hand, other authors don't see the above
> > problems in Archaeology
> > (I'm thinking of Gutting's book but can't remember
> > the title).
> >
> > Foucault is pretty patchy on highlighting the
> > differences between the two
> > methods but the book I found most helpful was by
> > Todd May:
> >
> > (1993), Between Genealogy and Epistemology:
> > Psychology, politics and
> > Knowledge in the Thought of Michel Foucault
> > (University Park, PA:
> > Pennsylvania Press)
> >
> > I don't know you familiarity level concerning
> > Foucault's work, but if not
> > high, try reading May's introduction to Foucault
> > beforehand, which does a
> > good job of introducing the differences whilst
> > stressing the continuity
> > between the two methods.
> >
> > BTW, I would not get too bogged down in Foucault's
> > recasting of his own
> > project, it happens at various times throughout his
> > career. And roughly, the
> > works do all address the historical ontology of
> > ourselves that Foucault
> > denotes in What is Enlightenment.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jared Kennard" <jaredkennard@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [Foucault-L] Genealogy Archaeology Divide
> > >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:36:05 -0600
> > >
> > >This question may seem a bit naive but I will ask
> > it anyway. I have been
> > >doing some research on Foucault's genealogy and
> > archaeology and have come
> > >to
> > >the conclusion that in the course of his work the
> > latter is more or less
> > >replaced by the former. I began my inquiry with
> > the understanding that the
> > >early works of Foucault were conducted under a sort
> > of rubric of
> > >archaeology, as he lays out in various places. It
> > seems, however, that he
> > >finds this method unsatisfactory and moves to the
> > genealogical method
> > >instead. My problem is that in stead of a clean
> > break or clear
> > >differentiation between the two methodologies he
> > seems to simply recast his
> > >works as works of genealogy instead of archaeology.
> > In the interview he
> > >gave with Rabinow and Dreyfus entitled "On the
> > Genealogy of Ethics" he
> > >states that: "three domains of genealogy are
> > possible," and that "all three
> > >were present...in Madness and Civilization."
> > Furthermore, The Birth of the
> > >Clinic and The Order of Things studied one of these
> > three axis, while
> > >Discipline and Punish and History of Sexuality
> > Studied the other two. With
> > >out getting into the specifics of what these three
> > possibilities are, since
> > >that doesn't seem relevant to the problem at hand,
> > it does seem quite
> > >obvious that he is brushing over earlier statements
> > he has made about his
> > >early works being archaeology's; or perhaps he is
> > attempting to apply a
> > >sort
> > >of discursive eraser.
> > >
> > >Ultimately my problem boils down to this: if what I
> > have said above is
> > >correct than where, if anywhere, does he talk about
> > this move he has made?
> > >Has archaeology been removed as an analytical tool
> > due to the problems this
> > >methodology creates? And if so in what ways does
> > genealogy differ from its
> > >predecessor? How is it that the genealogical form
> > can simply replace the
> > >archaeological one?
> > >
> > >Any help or suggestions would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > >
> > >Jared
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
> _________________________________________________________________
> > Can you see your house from the sky? Try Live Search
> > Maps
> > http://maps.live.com
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
--
Nathaniel Roberts
ESRC Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Anthropology
London School of Economics