interestingly enough, the Trombadori interview took place at the end of 1978, which is to say, the same year as the 'Security, Territory, and Population' lectures at the Collège de France.
As with all such comments by Foucault, what he says vis., OT needs to be read with care, with particular emphasis placed on the word "passion."
In the 1980s, Foucault gave numerous presentations of his overall project, and nearly all of them contain reference to OT. Reading these certainly seems to support Nathaniel's claim that, post Discipline and Punish, Foucault "came to appreciate his earlier work in new ways."
Regards,
Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0400
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
>
> Yes, the reference Kevin has given is precisely the ones I was referring
> to:
> The Jan. 25th lecture ("lecture 3").
>
> Foucault's excursus on the O.T. begins on p. 76 of the Palgrave edition.
> He
> doesn't specifically refer to the Order of Things by name, but the
> references would have been clear enough to anyone familiar with that text
> (
> = virtually everyone in the lecture hall, I suspect).
>
> But please note: what F. says about O.T. will be pretty impossible to
> grasp
> without reading from the beginning of that year's lecture series (i.e.
> from
> Jan. 11, 1977).
>
> About Kevin's point that Foucault came to see O.T. as marginal: this may
> be
> so. But the impression I got from the Jan 25th lecture, was that at that
> time he himself was coming to appreciate his earlier work in a new way.
> In
> any case, his remarks are highly schematic, and are clearly not meant as
> his
> final working-out of the subject. And if he had not tragically died so
> soon, he would surely have returned to this question.
>
> Nate
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> The Order of Things revisited...
>>
>> See the lecture from 25th January 1978: 55-86 - attention should be
>> given
>> to Graham Burchell endnotes to the lecture.
>>
>> See also the lecture from 8th March 1978, and to 250n17, 18.
>>
>> Reference to this is also made by Michel Senellart in his 'Course
>> Context:' 379.
>>
>> All references are to the English translation of 'Security, Territory,
>> and
>> Population' published by Palgrave.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: r.thomas-pellicer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:54:51 +0100
>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
>>>
>>> Nathaniel,
>>>
>>> Could you please double cheque on this reference, and let us know:
>>> Oh, one more thing, are people aware that Foucault revisits and
>>> revises (or rather, re-situates) his Order of Things argument about
>>> "man" in one of the lectures in his 1977-8 course, published under the
>>> title Security, Territory, Population? Check it out.
>>>
>>> If you mean a 5-page essay, I haven't located any ref to Man.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> "After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those 'last men' who
>>> 'invented happiness,' I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism
>>> in
>>> which science -that is, the technique of mastering life which rests
>>> upon
>>> science- has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in
>>> this? -aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial
>>> offices." -Max Weber
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
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As with all such comments by Foucault, what he says vis., OT needs to be read with care, with particular emphasis placed on the word "passion."
In the 1980s, Foucault gave numerous presentations of his overall project, and nearly all of them contain reference to OT. Reading these certainly seems to support Nathaniel's claim that, post Discipline and Punish, Foucault "came to appreciate his earlier work in new ways."
Regards,
Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:50:31 -0400
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
>
> Yes, the reference Kevin has given is precisely the ones I was referring
> to:
> The Jan. 25th lecture ("lecture 3").
>
> Foucault's excursus on the O.T. begins on p. 76 of the Palgrave edition.
> He
> doesn't specifically refer to the Order of Things by name, but the
> references would have been clear enough to anyone familiar with that text
> (
> = virtually everyone in the lecture hall, I suspect).
>
> But please note: what F. says about O.T. will be pretty impossible to
> grasp
> without reading from the beginning of that year's lecture series (i.e.
> from
> Jan. 11, 1977).
>
> About Kevin's point that Foucault came to see O.T. as marginal: this may
> be
> so. But the impression I got from the Jan 25th lecture, was that at that
> time he himself was coming to appreciate his earlier work in a new way.
> In
> any case, his remarks are highly schematic, and are clearly not meant as
> his
> final working-out of the subject. And if he had not tragically died so
> soon, he would surely have returned to this question.
>
> Nate
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> The Order of Things revisited...
>>
>> See the lecture from 25th January 1978: 55-86 - attention should be
>> given
>> to Graham Burchell endnotes to the lecture.
>>
>> See also the lecture from 8th March 1978, and to 250n17, 18.
>>
>> Reference to this is also made by Michel Senellart in his 'Course
>> Context:' 379.
>>
>> All references are to the English translation of 'Security, Territory,
>> and
>> Population' published by Palgrave.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: r.thomas-pellicer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:54:51 +0100
>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
>>>
>>> Nathaniel,
>>>
>>> Could you please double cheque on this reference, and let us know:
>>> Oh, one more thing, are people aware that Foucault revisits and
>>> revises (or rather, re-situates) his Order of Things argument about
>>> "man" in one of the lectures in his 1977-8 course, published under the
>>> title Security, Territory, Population? Check it out.
>>>
>>> If you mean a 5-page essay, I haven't located any ref to Man.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> "After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those 'last men' who
>>> 'invented happiness,' I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism
>>> in
>>> which science -that is, the technique of mastering life which rests
>>> upon
>>> science- has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in
>>> this? -aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial
>>> offices." -Max Weber
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
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>
>
>
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