Yes, the reference Kevin has given is precisely the ones I was referring to:
The Jan. 25th lecture ("lecture 3").
Foucault's excursus on the O.T. begins on p. 76 of the Palgrave edition. He
doesn't specifically refer to the Order of Things by name, but the
references would have been clear enough to anyone familiar with that text (
= virtually everyone in the lecture hall, I suspect).
But please note: what F. says about O.T. will be pretty impossible to grasp
without reading from the beginning of that year's lecture series (i.e. from
Jan. 11, 1977).
About Kevin's point that Foucault came to see O.T. as marginal: this may be
so. But the impression I got from the Jan 25th lecture, was that at that
time he himself was coming to appreciate his earlier work in a new way. In
any case, his remarks are highly schematic, and are clearly not meant as his
final working-out of the subject. And if he had not tragically died so
soon, he would surely have returned to this question.
Nate
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The Order of Things revisited...
>
> See the lecture from 25th January 1978: 55-86 - attention should be given
> to Graham Burchell endnotes to the lecture.
>
> See also the lecture from 8th March 1978, and to 250n17, 18.
>
> Reference to this is also made by Michel Senellart in his 'Course
> Context:' 379.
>
> All references are to the English translation of 'Security, Territory, and
> Population' published by Palgrave.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: r.thomas-pellicer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:54:51 +0100
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
> >
> > Nathaniel,
> >
> > Could you please double cheque on this reference, and let us know:
> > Oh, one more thing, are people aware that Foucault revisits and
> > revises (or rather, re-situates) his Order of Things argument about
> > "man" in one of the lectures in his 1977-8 course, published under the
> > title Security, Territory, Population? Check it out.
> >
> > If you mean a 5-page essay, I haven't located any ref to Man.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ruth
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > *
> >
> > "After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those 'last men' who
> > 'invented happiness,' I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism in
> > which science -that is, the technique of mastering life which rests upon
> > science- has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in
> > this? -aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial
> > offices." -Max Weber
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > *
> >
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The Jan. 25th lecture ("lecture 3").
Foucault's excursus on the O.T. begins on p. 76 of the Palgrave edition. He
doesn't specifically refer to the Order of Things by name, but the
references would have been clear enough to anyone familiar with that text (
= virtually everyone in the lecture hall, I suspect).
But please note: what F. says about O.T. will be pretty impossible to grasp
without reading from the beginning of that year's lecture series (i.e. from
Jan. 11, 1977).
About Kevin's point that Foucault came to see O.T. as marginal: this may be
so. But the impression I got from the Jan 25th lecture, was that at that
time he himself was coming to appreciate his earlier work in a new way. In
any case, his remarks are highly schematic, and are clearly not meant as his
final working-out of the subject. And if he had not tragically died so
soon, he would surely have returned to this question.
Nate
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The Order of Things revisited...
>
> See the lecture from 25th January 1978: 55-86 - attention should be given
> to Graham Burchell endnotes to the lecture.
>
> See also the lecture from 8th March 1978, and to 250n17, 18.
>
> Reference to this is also made by Michel Senellart in his 'Course
> Context:' 379.
>
> All references are to the English translation of 'Security, Territory, and
> Population' published by Palgrave.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: r.thomas-pellicer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:54:51 +0100
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [Foucault-L] The Order of Things - relevance for today
> >
> > Nathaniel,
> >
> > Could you please double cheque on this reference, and let us know:
> > Oh, one more thing, are people aware that Foucault revisits and
> > revises (or rather, re-situates) his Order of Things argument about
> > "man" in one of the lectures in his 1977-8 course, published under the
> > title Security, Territory, Population? Check it out.
> >
> > If you mean a 5-page essay, I haven't located any ref to Man.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ruth
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > *
> >
> > "After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those 'last men' who
> > 'invented happiness,' I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism in
> > which science -that is, the technique of mastering life which rests upon
> > science- has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in
> > this? -aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial
> > offices." -Max Weber
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > *
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on
> your desktop!
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Nathaniel Roberts
Adjunct Assistant Professor
Department of Anthropology
Columbia University