Or rather, (1) however progressive a regime might look/be it ineluctably subjectivizes the individual in a very specific direction; (2) one has to remain wary all the time, instead of allowing the regime to abolish all departments of sociology on the grounds that the (more) socialist system automatically eradicates social problems --If I am not mistaken this was one Castro's strategies at some point during the Cuban Revolution.
Ruth Thomas-Pellicer
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?After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those ?last men? who ?invented happiness,? I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism in which science ?that is, the technique of mastering life which rests upon science? has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in this? ?aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial offices.? ?Max Weber
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-----Original Message-----
From: foucault-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Yosem Companys
Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 18:13
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Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault and Obama
Wouldn't Foucault say that Obama was coming in to change the world but
that powerful oppressive discourses would prevent him from doing so?
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I gave Tony Blair a three when he was first elected - it soon dropped into minus figures...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:22:46 -0600
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault and Obama
>>
>> three as in what?
>> three out of five or out of 10?
>> I think I missed the joke lol
>> pardon my ignorance.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Timothy O'Leary <autrement@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chetan,
>>>
>>> One place to start would be Foucault's discussion of the election of
>>> Francois Mitterand in 1981, the first left(ist) President of France in
>>> many
>>> decades.
>>>
>>> See: "So is it important to think?", EW3, p.454ff
>>>
>>> On the other hand, one could take the route that Martin Hardie, with his
>>> tongue firmly in cheek, has suggested on a different topic, and say that
>>> Foucault would have given Obama... a three.
>>>
>>> Timothy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I know this is completely random, but since we know that Foucault
>>>> was
>>>> intending to move to California (at least I think he was) before his
>>> death
>>>> came into the picture, and considering (without AIDS of course, purely
>>>> theoretical) he lived through 2008, what do you think he would have had
>>> to
>>>> say about the presidential election and Obama's rise to power?
>>>> Do you think he would have been positive, negative or ambivalent?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because I read an interesting yet rare piece by Judith Butler on
>>>> Obama's victory taking a guarded approach yet appreciating its apparent
>>>> significance. I'm not trying to equivocate both thinkers, but I have an
>>>> inkling Foucault would have had a similar if not identical opinion, had
>>> he
>>>> lived to the present.
>>>> Here's Butler's article:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/2008/11/uncritical-exuberance-judith-butlers-take-on-obama.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chetan Vemuri
>>>> West Des Moines, IA
>>>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> (515)-418-2771
>>>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
>>>> the
>>>> world"
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Chetan Vemuri
>> West Des Moines, IA
>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> (515)-418-2771
>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
>> world"
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?After Nietzsche's devastating criticism of those ?last men? who ?invented happiness,? I may leave aside altogether the naïve optimism in which science ?that is, the technique of mastering life which rests upon science? has been celebrated as the way to happiness. Who believes in this? ?aside from a few big children in university chairs or editorial offices.? ?Max Weber
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-----Original Message-----
From: foucault-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Yosem Companys
Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 18:13
To: Mailing-list
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault and Obama
Wouldn't Foucault say that Obama was coming in to change the world but
that powerful oppressive discourses would prevent him from doing so?
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I gave Tony Blair a three when he was first elected - it soon dropped into minus figures...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:22:46 -0600
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault and Obama
>>
>> three as in what?
>> three out of five or out of 10?
>> I think I missed the joke lol
>> pardon my ignorance.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Timothy O'Leary <autrement@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chetan,
>>>
>>> One place to start would be Foucault's discussion of the election of
>>> Francois Mitterand in 1981, the first left(ist) President of France in
>>> many
>>> decades.
>>>
>>> See: "So is it important to think?", EW3, p.454ff
>>>
>>> On the other hand, one could take the route that Martin Hardie, with his
>>> tongue firmly in cheek, has suggested on a different topic, and say that
>>> Foucault would have given Obama... a three.
>>>
>>> Timothy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Chetan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I know this is completely random, but since we know that Foucault
>>>> was
>>>> intending to move to California (at least I think he was) before his
>>> death
>>>> came into the picture, and considering (without AIDS of course, purely
>>>> theoretical) he lived through 2008, what do you think he would have had
>>> to
>>>> say about the presidential election and Obama's rise to power?
>>>> Do you think he would have been positive, negative or ambivalent?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because I read an interesting yet rare piece by Judith Butler on
>>>> Obama's victory taking a guarded approach yet appreciating its apparent
>>>> significance. I'm not trying to equivocate both thinkers, but I have an
>>>> inkling Foucault would have had a similar if not identical opinion, had
>>> he
>>>> lived to the present.
>>>> Here's Butler's article:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/2008/11/uncritical-exuberance-judith-butlers-take-on-obama.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chetan Vemuri
>>>> West Des Moines, IA
>>>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> (515)-418-2771
>>>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change
>>>> the
>>>> world"
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chetan Vemuri
>> West Des Moines, IA
>> aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx
>> (515)-418-2771
>> "You say you want a Revolution! Well you know, we all want to change the
>> world"
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>
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