Did Foucault make any explicit statements regarding the "new" technologies such as computing, and more pertinent to this discussion, about the internet? The discussion is very fruitful. It seems to me that what Foucault analyzed in terms of spatial relations and his marking the turn to space is a way of reading ways in which an "inter-net" could be thinkable, buildable, and useable by the population. I also think it interesting to understand his analyses of "technologies" as concurrent with whatever "new" things have come along since his death. I am not trying to be facetious about the question or the discussion but rather to recall some important distinctions that enter into any discussion where the past-present-future framework is not so useful.
Lisa
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ate: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:17:27 +1000
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Good day to you,
I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
oucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
uestion: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
he body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
n a contemporary society and health care?
arty
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ate: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:09:42 +0200
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yes, indeed, because the idea of the body as site of regulation is
irectely derived from his ideas of normality and normalization in
edicine and medicalization. especially see The Birth of the
linique, his Brazilian lectures on medicalization and health care
nd his lectures (Cours) of 1970 until 1975.
he idea of normalization as something which is derived from Law (in
iscipline and Punish) is developed later on.
yours
achiel karskens
which were At 02:17 25-4-2010, you wrote:
Good day to you,
I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
Foucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
Question: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
the body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
in a contemporary society and health care?
Marty
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ate: Mon, 3 May 2010 03:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
rom: salvo vaccaro <salvovaccaro@xxxxxxxxx>
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Dear all,
that's a Conference about the foucauldian "Le gouvernement de soi et des
utres", to be held in Palermo, Italy, on May 20-21 (in italian).
Salvo Vaccaro
NIVERSITA? DEGLI STUDI DI PALERMO
ACOLTA? DI SCIENZE DELLA FORMAZIONE
IPARTIMENTO DI ARTI E COMUNICAZIONI
OTTORATO DI RICERCA IN STUDI CULTURALI
RIN 2007 ?GOVERNANCE E GOVERNAMENTALITA??
ENTRO INTERDIPARTIMENTALE ?BIOPOLITICA, BIOECONOMIA E PROCESSI DI
OGGETTIVAZIONE?
ENTRE CULTUREL FRANCAIS DE PALERME ET DE SICILE
Il governo di se?, il governo degli altri
Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile
antieri culturali della Zisa, v. Paolo Gili 4
Giovedi? 20 maggio 2010 Ore 16,00
hair: Eric Biagi (Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile) Saluti
elle Autorita?
ichele Cometa (Preside della Facolta? di Scienze della Formazione) Patrizia
endinara (Decano del Dipartimento di Arti e comunicazioni)
Introduzione Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
Ore 16,30
lain Brossat (Universite? de Paris VIII) Questions sur le pouvoir pastoral
andro Chignola (Universita? di Padova) Dal biopotere al fatto di governo
aura Bazzicalupo (Universita? di Salerno) Pragmatica anarchica e virtu?
semplari: un post-strutturalista ad Atene
Venerdi? 21 maggio 2010 Ore 9.30
hair: Piero Violante (Universita? di Palermo)
Ottavio Marzocca (Universita? di Bari) La parresia e le liberta? trans-politiche
Mario Galzigna (Universita? di Venezia) Lo scandalo della verita?. Esteriorita?
processi di soggettivazione
lessandro Mariani (Universita? di Firenze) Pedagogia e anti-pedagogia in Michel
oucault
andro Luce (Universita? di Salerno) Dalla verita? sulla vita alla vita vera
Ore 16,00
hair: Francesco Viola (Universita? di Palermo)
Alfonso Catania (Universita? di Salerno) La norma: processi di
nteriorizzazione e di decisione
ntonio Tucci (Universita? di Salerno) Trasformazioni del diritto e
oggettivazioni eterogenee
oberto Nigro (Zuricher Hochschule der Kunste) Il colpo di stato come teoria e
ratica di governo
erena Marceno? (Universita? di Palermo) Minorita?, subalternita?,
oggettivazione
Conclusioni: Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
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ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:23:28 -0700
rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
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Did Foucault write anything about computing,
oftware, networking, and so forth? His mode
f analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
o today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
ight have written directly about such technology.
-t
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:07:42 +0930
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Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
achines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
n hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
hat the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
hey were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
olicies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
ew people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
niversity infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
ad used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
ommunicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
e interested to see what people have done with his work since to
iscuss the matter
D
n 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
software, networking, and so forth? His mode
of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
might have written directly about such technology.
-t
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:41:17 +1000
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yes I thought that Mr David
But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
ocieties to continue the Foucault trail?
On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
had used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
discuss the matter
D
On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:55:24 -0700
rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
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So, sure - he didn't live to see the pervasive
mplications of the Internet per se but a couple
f things:
1) He did live long enough to get a taste for what
omputing and networking might bring (by decades)
ence my fishing for cites. That's why I asked.
) By 1994 (per Mr. McInnerny's comment) *lots* of
ndergrads were using the Internet. Big time.
I do have a distorted lens perspective of coming out of the
arnegie Mellon University environment but at least there
nd at quite a few other campuses - Internet access and use was
airly ubiquitous almost a decade before that. The web
idn't quite yet exist although lots of people were trying
o get it started - but the 'net was in full swing on a bunch
f campuses.
I appreciate both comments and any cites that might
rop up. I'm just fishing to see if there's some stuff
wasn't aware of in his writings.
-t
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 07:41 +1000, martin hardie wrote:
yes I thought that Mr David
But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
societies to continue the Foucault trail?
On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:02 +0200
rom: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
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But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
he Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
pple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
ommunication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
nd the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
oucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
echnology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
had used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
discuss the matter
D
On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:42:19 +1000
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Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new media. he
elieves foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once, and
hat in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but he also
eems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not sure
hy foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new tech -
e was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but one
ould assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple functions.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
technology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>
>> -t
>>
>>
>>
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:51:05 -0500
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I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
ould not be expected to comment on everything.
ut then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
f philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
hink he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
ut yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
media. he
believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
and
that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
he also
seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
sure
why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
tech -
he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
one
could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
functions.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>
>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>> DOS
>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
>> had used it.
>>
>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>
>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>> discuss the matter
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>
>>> -t
>>>
>>>
>>>
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:15:15 -0500
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Foucault did not think about the future the way some do. In Ethics Subjectivity
nd Truth, p. 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
uture. In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
utile because it obscures the present. More about the stultus there as well.
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On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
Could not be expected to comment on everything.
But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
>> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
>> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
>> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
>> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
>> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
>> technology.
>>
>> erik
>>
>> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>>> DOS
>>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
>>> had used it.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>>
>>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>>> discuss the matter
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>>
>>>> -t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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ate: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:49:21 +0200
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I did never found any trace of interest in computing, calculating or
nformation technology in Foucault.
sk Daniel Defert, if he ever had a (proto) computer or text-machine?
s far as I know - or rather guess - he did write by hand and did not
ven use a typewriter.
Of course he could be seen as a forerunner of the internet and ICT
ociety; see his open-end network-like approach (discurive formations
nd mechanism or technology of power) of technology, knowledge and
ower control,
nd especially his ideas of the permanent examination and data
ontrol in criminology and human sciences in general - including medicine .
ut it is up to us, and therefore our interpretation, to apply these
ints to our ICT-control- society
yours
achiel karskens
t 09:47 28-5-2010, you wrote:
But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
technology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>
>> -t
>>
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It seems our contemporary status of inundation by ?technological mediation is
et another ?compelling, even?seductive,?nearly uncompromising ?layer of the
apparatus.' See Giorgio Agamben's recent text on Foucault's concept.?
hen sit down with someone, maybe two or three people, and have a conversation
bout this with them. notice the difference between that conversation and ours
ere...
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ate: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:15 PM
Foucault did not think about the future the way some do.? In Ethics Subjectivity
nd Truth, p.? 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
uture.? In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
utile because it obscures the present.? More about the stultus there as well.
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On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.?
Could not be expected to comment on everything.
But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing?
of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would?
think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault? deleuze and the new?
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,?
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but?
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not?
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new?
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but?
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple?
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>?
> wrote:
>
>> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
>> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
>> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
>> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
>> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
>> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
>> technology.
>>
>> erik
>>
>> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>>> DOS
>>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>>> policies on!? Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>>> university infrastructure.? I didn't know any undergrad students who
>>> had used it.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>>
>>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>>> discuss the matter
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>>> software, networking, and so forth????His mode
>>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>>
>>>> -t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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ate: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:17:27 +1000
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Good day to you,
I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
oucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
uestion: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
he body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
n a contemporary society and health care?
arty
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ate: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:09:42 +0200
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yes, indeed, because the idea of the body as site of regulation is
irectely derived from his ideas of normality and normalization in
edicine and medicalization. especially see The Birth of the
linique, his Brazilian lectures on medicalization and health care
nd his lectures (Cours) of 1970 until 1975.
he idea of normalization as something which is derived from Law (in
iscipline and Punish) is developed later on.
yours
achiel karskens
which were At 02:17 25-4-2010, you wrote:
Good day to you,
I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
Foucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
Question: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
the body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
in a contemporary society and health care?
Marty
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Dear all,
that's a Conference about the foucauldian "Le gouvernement de soi et des
utres", to be held in Palermo, Italy, on May 20-21 (in italian).
Salvo Vaccaro
NIVERSITA? DEGLI STUDI DI PALERMO
ACOLTA? DI SCIENZE DELLA FORMAZIONE
IPARTIMENTO DI ARTI E COMUNICAZIONI
OTTORATO DI RICERCA IN STUDI CULTURALI
RIN 2007 ?GOVERNANCE E GOVERNAMENTALITA??
ENTRO INTERDIPARTIMENTALE ?BIOPOLITICA, BIOECONOMIA E PROCESSI DI
OGGETTIVAZIONE?
ENTRE CULTUREL FRANCAIS DE PALERME ET DE SICILE
Il governo di se?, il governo degli altri
Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile
antieri culturali della Zisa, v. Paolo Gili 4
Giovedi? 20 maggio 2010 Ore 16,00
hair: Eric Biagi (Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile) Saluti
elle Autorita?
ichele Cometa (Preside della Facolta? di Scienze della Formazione) Patrizia
endinara (Decano del Dipartimento di Arti e comunicazioni)
Introduzione Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
Ore 16,30
lain Brossat (Universite? de Paris VIII) Questions sur le pouvoir pastoral
andro Chignola (Universita? di Padova) Dal biopotere al fatto di governo
aura Bazzicalupo (Universita? di Salerno) Pragmatica anarchica e virtu?
semplari: un post-strutturalista ad Atene
Venerdi? 21 maggio 2010 Ore 9.30
hair: Piero Violante (Universita? di Palermo)
Ottavio Marzocca (Universita? di Bari) La parresia e le liberta? trans-politiche
Mario Galzigna (Universita? di Venezia) Lo scandalo della verita?. Esteriorita?
processi di soggettivazione
lessandro Mariani (Universita? di Firenze) Pedagogia e anti-pedagogia in Michel
oucault
andro Luce (Universita? di Salerno) Dalla verita? sulla vita alla vita vera
Ore 16,00
hair: Francesco Viola (Universita? di Palermo)
Alfonso Catania (Universita? di Salerno) La norma: processi di
nteriorizzazione e di decisione
ntonio Tucci (Universita? di Salerno) Trasformazioni del diritto e
oggettivazioni eterogenee
oberto Nigro (Zuricher Hochschule der Kunste) Il colpo di stato come teoria e
ratica di governo
erena Marceno? (Universita? di Palermo) Minorita?, subalternita?,
oggettivazione
Conclusioni: Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
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Did Foucault write anything about computing,
oftware, networking, and so forth? His mode
f analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
o today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
ight have written directly about such technology.
-t
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Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
achines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
n hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
hat the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
hey were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
olicies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
ew people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
niversity infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
ad used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
ommunicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
e interested to see what people have done with his work since to
iscuss the matter
D
n 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
software, networking, and so forth? His mode
of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
might have written directly about such technology.
-t
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yes I thought that Mr David
But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
ocieties to continue the Foucault trail?
On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
had used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
discuss the matter
D
On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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So, sure - he didn't live to see the pervasive
mplications of the Internet per se but a couple
f things:
1) He did live long enough to get a taste for what
omputing and networking might bring (by decades)
ence my fishing for cites. That's why I asked.
) By 1994 (per Mr. McInnerny's comment) *lots* of
ndergrads were using the Internet. Big time.
I do have a distorted lens perspective of coming out of the
arnegie Mellon University environment but at least there
nd at quite a few other campuses - Internet access and use was
airly ubiquitous almost a decade before that. The web
idn't quite yet exist although lots of people were trying
o get it started - but the 'net was in full swing on a bunch
f campuses.
I appreciate both comments and any cites that might
rop up. I'm just fishing to see if there's some stuff
wasn't aware of in his writings.
-t
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 07:41 +1000, martin hardie wrote:
yes I thought that Mr David
But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
societies to continue the Foucault trail?
On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:02 +0200
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But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
he Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
pple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
ommunication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
nd the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
oucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
echnology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
had used it.
Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
discuss the matter
D
On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new media. he
elieves foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once, and
hat in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but he also
eems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not sure
hy foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new tech -
e was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but one
ould assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple functions.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
technology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>
>> -t
>>
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I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
ould not be expected to comment on everything.
ut then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
f philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
hink he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
ut yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
media. he
believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
and
that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
he also
seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
sure
why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
tech -
he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
one
could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
functions.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>
>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>> DOS
>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
>> had used it.
>>
>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>
>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>> discuss the matter
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>
>>> -t
>>>
>>>
>>>
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ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:15:15 -0500
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Foucault did not think about the future the way some do. In Ethics Subjectivity
nd Truth, p. 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
uture. In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
utile because it obscures the present. More about the stultus there as well.
Doug
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On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
Could not be expected to comment on everything.
But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
>> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
>> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
>> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
>> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
>> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
>> technology.
>>
>> erik
>>
>> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>>> DOS
>>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
>>> had used it.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>>
>>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>>> discuss the matter
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>>
>>>> -t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>
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ate: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:49:21 +0200
rom: "M. Karskens" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
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I did never found any trace of interest in computing, calculating or
nformation technology in Foucault.
sk Daniel Defert, if he ever had a (proto) computer or text-machine?
s far as I know - or rather guess - he did write by hand and did not
ven use a typewriter.
Of course he could be seen as a forerunner of the internet and ICT
ociety; see his open-end network-like approach (discurive formations
nd mechanism or technology of power) of technology, knowledge and
ower control,
nd especially his ideas of the permanent examination and data
ontrol in criminology and human sciences in general - including medicine .
ut it is up to us, and therefore our interpretation, to apply these
ints to our ICT-control- society
yours
achiel karskens
t 09:47 28-5-2010, you wrote:
But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
technology.
erik
Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>
>> -t
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>
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adboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
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ate: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT)
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It seems our contemporary status of inundation by ?technological mediation is
et another ?compelling, even?seductive,?nearly uncompromising ?layer of the
apparatus.' See Giorgio Agamben's recent text on Foucault's concept.?
hen sit down with someone, maybe two or three people, and have a conversation
bout this with them. notice the difference between that conversation and ours
ere...
--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx>
ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
o: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
ate: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:15 PM
Foucault did not think about the future the way some do.? In Ethics Subjectivity
nd Truth, p.? 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
uture.? In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
utile because it obscures the present.? More about the stultus there as well.
Doug
-----
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oug@xxxxxxxxx
ttp://olena.com/wordpress1
17-887-0332 h
17-988-4337 c
----
On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.?
Could not be expected to comment on everything.
But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing?
of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would?
think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault? deleuze and the new?
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,?
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but?
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not?
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new?
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but?
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple?
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>?
> wrote:
>
>> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
>> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
>> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
>> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
>> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
>> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
>> technology.
>>
>> erik
>>
>> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
>>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
>>> DOS
>>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
>>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
>>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
>>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
>>> policies on!? Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
>>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
>>> university infrastructure.? I didn't know any undergrad students who
>>> had used it.
>>>
>>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
>>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>>>
>>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
>>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
>>> discuss the matter
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
>>>> software, networking, and so forth????His mode
>>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
>>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
>>>> might have written directly about such technology.
>>>>
>>>> -t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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