Sure. Thanks, Lisa.
The lines along which I was thinking when I raised the
question were something like this:
~ The Internet (as currently experienced
in the "Web 2.0" world) has panoptic qualities.
It is a new architecture for asymmetric
surveillance. The panopticon analogy runs pretty
deep in this way: We can't be certain when, say,
Google or Facebook are "looking" or what they are
looking at or what they do with that information - just
like the guards in a panoptic tower. If you look
around at the popular media, the trade press, advice
for job seekers - stuff like that - you'll see that
there is a new(-ish) ethos gaining a lot of popularity.
The gist of the new ethos is that we humble users of the
net should simply assume that anything we do on-line
might be observed and might legitimately have negative
impact on our lives so we should all act as if the
guard is always looking.
~ The Web 2.0 world with its particular focus on
advertising and other business forms that give incentive
for accumulating and tracking users seems to me to have
created a discursive logic for taxonomizing people's behavior.
We're inventing new ways count people and order our thinking
about them. Instead of the old Madison Ave. advertising
demographics ("white suburban housewife, age 30-35, children,
mid-west") we have a real upswing in private firms and also
criminal elements developing pretty detailed and individualized
dossiers about people. Because of the volume of data those
dossiers aren't ad hoc but make new use of new forms of
classification.
~ The web is interactive in strange ways - for example
in the presentation to users of customized ads. There is
a new system of intervention and constraint there (completing
the panoptic circuit).
~ More subtly, perhaps, the "logic" of how we experience the
web is in significant part determined by the choices of small
numbers of programmers who write the code. Lawrence Lessig
describes this as "code is law" in some of his better known
writings. The rate at which our culture learns to experiment
and fine tune its panoptic feedback system has exploded.
-t
(And thank you to everyone for the responses. It's an
interesting topic.)
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:30 -0400, lisahennon@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Did Foucault make any explicit statements regarding the "new" technologies such as computing, and more pertinent to this discussion, about the internet? The discussion is very fruitful. It seems to me that what Foucault analyzed in terms of spatial relations and his marking the turn to space is a way of reading ways in which an "inter-net" could be thinkable, buildable, and useable by the population. I also think it interesting to understand his analyses of "technologies" as concurrent with whatever "new" things have come along since his death. I am not trying to be facetious about the question or the discussion but rather to recall some important distinctions that enter into any discussion where the past-present-future framework is not so useful.
>
>
> Lisa
>
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> 7. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Thomas Lord)
> 8. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Erik Hoogcarspel)
> 9. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (peter chamberlain)
> 10. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Chathan Vemuri)
> 11. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Douglas Olena)
> 12. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (M. Karskens)
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> Message: 1
> ate: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:17:27 +1000
> rom: Marty Walker <smartzwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault
> o: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> essage-ID:
> <j2q99de14781004241717qeea32c05oab0ff1eadc599830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Good day to you,
> I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
> oucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
>
> uestion: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
> he body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
> n a contemporary society and health care?
>
> arty
>
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> Message: 2
> ate: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:09:42 +0200
> rom: "M. Karskens" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> yes, indeed, because the idea of the body as site of regulation is
> irectely derived from his ideas of normality and normalization in
> edicine and medicalization. especially see The Birth of the
> linique, his Brazilian lectures on medicalization and health care
> nd his lectures (Cours) of 1970 until 1975.
> he idea of normalization as something which is derived from Law (in
> iscipline and Punish) is developed later on.
> yours
> achiel karskens
>
> which were At 02:17 25-4-2010, you wrote:
> Good day to you,
>
> I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
> Foucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
>
>
> Question: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
> the body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
> in a contemporary society and health care?
>
>
> Marty
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>
> rof. Machiel Karskens
> ocial and political philosophy
> aculty of Philosophy
> adboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
>
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> Message: 3
> ate: Mon, 3 May 2010 03:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
> rom: salvo vaccaro <salvovaccaro@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: [Foucault-L] conference in Palermo, Italy
> o: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> essage-ID: <911821.55846.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Dear all,
> that's a Conference about the foucauldian "Le gouvernement de soi et des
> utres", to be held in Palermo, Italy, on May 20-21 (in italian).
> Salvo Vaccaro
>
> NIVERSITA? DEGLI STUDI DI PALERMO
> ACOLTA? DI SCIENZE DELLA FORMAZIONE
> IPARTIMENTO DI ARTI E COMUNICAZIONI
> OTTORATO DI RICERCA IN STUDI CULTURALI
> RIN 2007 ?GOVERNANCE E GOVERNAMENTALITA??
> ENTRO INTERDIPARTIMENTALE ?BIOPOLITICA, BIOECONOMIA E PROCESSI DI
> OGGETTIVAZIONE?
> ENTRE CULTUREL FRANCAIS DE PALERME ET DE SICILE
> Il governo di se?, il governo degli altri
> Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile
> antieri culturali della Zisa, v. Paolo Gili 4
> Giovedi? 20 maggio 2010 Ore 16,00
> hair: Eric Biagi (Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile) Saluti
> elle Autorita?
> ichele Cometa (Preside della Facolta? di Scienze della Formazione) Patrizia
> endinara (Decano del Dipartimento di Arti e comunicazioni)
> Introduzione Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
> Ore 16,30
> lain Brossat (Universite? de Paris VIII) Questions sur le pouvoir pastoral
> andro Chignola (Universita? di Padova) Dal biopotere al fatto di governo
> aura Bazzicalupo (Universita? di Salerno) Pragmatica anarchica e virtu?
> semplari: un post-strutturalista ad Atene
> Venerdi? 21 maggio 2010 Ore 9.30
> hair: Piero Violante (Universita? di Palermo)
> Ottavio Marzocca (Universita? di Bari) La parresia e le liberta? trans-politiche
> Mario Galzigna (Universita? di Venezia) Lo scandalo della verita?. Esteriorita?
> processi di soggettivazione
> lessandro Mariani (Universita? di Firenze) Pedagogia e anti-pedagogia in Michel
> oucault
> andro Luce (Universita? di Salerno) Dalla verita? sulla vita alla vita vera
> Ore 16,00
> hair: Francesco Viola (Universita? di Palermo)
> Alfonso Catania (Universita? di Salerno) La norma: processi di
> nteriorizzazione e di decisione
> ntonio Tucci (Universita? di Salerno) Trasformazioni del diritto e
> oggettivazioni eterogenee
> oberto Nigro (Zuricher Hochschule der Kunste) Il colpo di stato come teoria e
> ratica di governo
> erena Marceno? (Universita? di Palermo) Minorita?, subalternita?,
> oggettivazione
> Conclusioni: Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:23:28 -0700
> rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
> ubject: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1274995408.7321.1.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> oftware, networking, and so forth? His mode
> f analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> o today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> ight have written directly about such technology.
> -t
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:07:42 +0930
> rom: David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> achines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> n hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> hat the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> hey were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> olicies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> ew people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> niversity infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> ad used it.
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> ommunicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> e interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> iscuss the matter
> D
>
> n 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:41:17 +1000
> rom: martin hardie <martin.hardie@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID:
> <AANLkTikvp92bST4WhISwaoSfsTNJrFV3d5YejM5I_Ufm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> yes I thought that Mr David
> But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
> ocieties to continue the Foucault trail?
>
> On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
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> ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:55:24 -0700
> rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1275004524.7321.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain
> So, sure - he didn't live to see the pervasive
> mplications of the Internet per se but a couple
> f things:
> 1) He did live long enough to get a taste for what
> omputing and networking might bring (by decades)
> ence my fishing for cites. That's why I asked.
>
> ) By 1994 (per Mr. McInnerny's comment) *lots* of
> ndergrads were using the Internet. Big time.
> I do have a distorted lens perspective of coming out of the
> arnegie Mellon University environment but at least there
> nd at quite a few other campuses - Internet access and use was
> airly ubiquitous almost a decade before that. The web
> idn't quite yet exist although lots of people were trying
> o get it started - but the 'net was in full swing on a bunch
> f campuses.
> I appreciate both comments and any cites that might
> rop up. I'm just fishing to see if there's some stuff
> wasn't aware of in his writings.
> -t
>
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 07:41 +1000, martin hardie wrote:
> yes I thought that Mr David
>
> But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
> societies to continue the Foucault trail?
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> > > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > > might have written directly about such technology.
> > >
> > > -t
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:02 +0200
> rom: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <4BFF74F6.8080601@xxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> he Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> pple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> ommunication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> nd the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> oucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> echnology.
> erik
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:42:19 +1000
> rom: peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID:
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> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new media. he
> elieves foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once, and
> hat in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but he also
> eems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not sure
> hy foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new tech -
> e was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but one
> ould assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple functions.
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>
> >> -t
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:51:05 -0500
> rom: Chathan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1EB0FDFD-6991-4979-AB4C-89B16FB21AFC@xxxxxxxxx>
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> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
> ould not be expected to comment on everything.
> ut then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
> f philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
> hink he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> ut yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> > the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> > Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> > communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> > and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> > Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> > technology.
> >
> > erik
> >
> > Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>
> >> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >> DOS
> >> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >> had used it.
> >>
> >> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>
> >> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >> discuss the matter
> >>
> >> D
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>
> >>> -t
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:15:15 -0500
> rom: Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
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> Foucault did not think about the future the way some do. In Ethics Subjectivity
> nd Truth, p. 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
> hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
> tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
> upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
> uture. In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
> utile because it obscures the present. More about the stultus there as well.
> Doug
> -----
> ouglas Olena
> oug@xxxxxxxxx
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> 17-988-4337 c
> ----
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> > I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
> Could not be expected to comment on everything.
> But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
> of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
> think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
>
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> > media. he
> > believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> > and
> > that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> > he also
> > seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> > sure
> > why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> > tech -
> > he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> > one
> > could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> > functions.
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> >> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> >> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> >> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> >> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> >> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> >> technology.
> >>
> >> erik
> >>
> >> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >>> DOS
> >>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >>> had used it.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>>
> >>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >>> discuss the matter
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>>
> >>>> -t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> ate: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:49:21 +0200
> rom: "M. Karskens" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
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> I did never found any trace of interest in computing, calculating or
> nformation technology in Foucault.
> sk Daniel Defert, if he ever had a (proto) computer or text-machine?
> s far as I know - or rather guess - he did write by hand and did not
> ven use a typewriter.
> Of course he could be seen as a forerunner of the internet and ICT
> ociety; see his open-end network-like approach (discurive formations
> nd mechanism or technology of power) of technology, knowledge and
> ower control,
> nd especially his ideas of the permanent examination and data
> ontrol in criminology and human sciences in general - including medicine .
> ut it is up to us, and therefore our interpretation, to apply these
> ints to our ICT-control- society
> yours
> achiel karskens
>
> t 09:47 28-5-2010, you wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>
> >> -t
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
> rof. Machiel Karskens
> ocial and political philosophy
> aculty of Philosophy
> adboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
>
> -----------------------------
> Message: 13
> ate: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT)
> rom: tomas marconi <tomaasm@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> It seems our contemporary status of inundation by ?technological mediation is
> et another ?compelling, even?seductive,?nearly uncompromising ?layer of the
> apparatus.' See Giorgio Agamben's recent text on Foucault's concept.?
> hen sit down with someone, maybe two or three people, and have a conversation
> bout this with them. notice the difference between that conversation and ours
> ere...
> --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ate: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:15 PM
> Foucault did not think about the future the way some do.? In Ethics Subjectivity
> nd Truth, p.? 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
> hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
> tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
> upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
> uture.? In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
> utile because it obscures the present.? More about the stultus there as well.
> Doug
> -----
> ouglas Olena
> oug@xxxxxxxxx
> ttp://olena.com/wordpress1
> 17-887-0332 h
> 17-988-4337 c
> ----
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> > I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.?
> Could not be expected to comment on everything.
> But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing?
> of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would?
> think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
>
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault? deleuze and the new?
> > media. he
> > believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,?
> > and
> > that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but?
> > he also
> > seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not?
> > sure
> > why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new?
> > tech -
> > he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but?
> > one
> > could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple?
> > functions.
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>?
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> >> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> >> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> >> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> >> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> >> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> >> technology.
> >>
> >> erik
> >>
> >> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >>> DOS
> >>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >>> policies on!? Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >>> university infrastructure.? I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >>> had used it.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>>
> >>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >>> discuss the matter
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>>> software, networking, and so forth????His mode
> >>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>>
> >>>> -t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
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The lines along which I was thinking when I raised the
question were something like this:
~ The Internet (as currently experienced
in the "Web 2.0" world) has panoptic qualities.
It is a new architecture for asymmetric
surveillance. The panopticon analogy runs pretty
deep in this way: We can't be certain when, say,
Google or Facebook are "looking" or what they are
looking at or what they do with that information - just
like the guards in a panoptic tower. If you look
around at the popular media, the trade press, advice
for job seekers - stuff like that - you'll see that
there is a new(-ish) ethos gaining a lot of popularity.
The gist of the new ethos is that we humble users of the
net should simply assume that anything we do on-line
might be observed and might legitimately have negative
impact on our lives so we should all act as if the
guard is always looking.
~ The Web 2.0 world with its particular focus on
advertising and other business forms that give incentive
for accumulating and tracking users seems to me to have
created a discursive logic for taxonomizing people's behavior.
We're inventing new ways count people and order our thinking
about them. Instead of the old Madison Ave. advertising
demographics ("white suburban housewife, age 30-35, children,
mid-west") we have a real upswing in private firms and also
criminal elements developing pretty detailed and individualized
dossiers about people. Because of the volume of data those
dossiers aren't ad hoc but make new use of new forms of
classification.
~ The web is interactive in strange ways - for example
in the presentation to users of customized ads. There is
a new system of intervention and constraint there (completing
the panoptic circuit).
~ More subtly, perhaps, the "logic" of how we experience the
web is in significant part determined by the choices of small
numbers of programmers who write the code. Lawrence Lessig
describes this as "code is law" in some of his better known
writings. The rate at which our culture learns to experiment
and fine tune its panoptic feedback system has exploded.
-t
(And thank you to everyone for the responses. It's an
interesting topic.)
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:30 -0400, lisahennon@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Did Foucault make any explicit statements regarding the "new" technologies such as computing, and more pertinent to this discussion, about the internet? The discussion is very fruitful. It seems to me that what Foucault analyzed in terms of spatial relations and his marking the turn to space is a way of reading ways in which an "inter-net" could be thinkable, buildable, and useable by the population. I also think it interesting to understand his analyses of "technologies" as concurrent with whatever "new" things have come along since his death. I am not trying to be facetious about the question or the discussion but rather to recall some important distinctions that enter into any discussion where the past-present-future framework is not so useful.
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
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> 4. Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Thomas Lord)
> 5. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (David McInerney)
> 6. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (martin hardie)
> 7. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Thomas Lord)
> 8. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Erik Hoogcarspel)
> 9. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (peter chamberlain)
> 10. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Chathan Vemuri)
> 11. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (Douglas Olena)
> 12. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (M. Karskens)
> 13. Re: Foucault v. Web 2.0 (tomas marconi)
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> Message: 1
> ate: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:17:27 +1000
> rom: Marty Walker <smartzwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault
> o: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> essage-ID:
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> Good day to you,
> I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
> oucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
>
> uestion: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
> he body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
> n a contemporary society and health care?
>
> arty
>
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> Message: 2
> ate: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:09:42 +0200
> rom: "M. Karskens" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <20100426120936.DB43E10545B@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> yes, indeed, because the idea of the body as site of regulation is
> irectely derived from his ideas of normality and normalization in
> edicine and medicalization. especially see The Birth of the
> linique, his Brazilian lectures on medicalization and health care
> nd his lectures (Cours) of 1970 until 1975.
> he idea of normalization as something which is derived from Law (in
> iscipline and Punish) is developed later on.
> yours
> achiel karskens
>
> which were At 02:17 25-4-2010, you wrote:
> Good day to you,
>
> I have just recently joined the group and have a question regarding
> Foucault. Is there anybody that can help me please -
>
>
> Question: Michael Foucault has contributed a number of concepts regarding
> the body as a site for regulation. Do you think these concepts are evident
> in a contemporary society and health care?
>
>
> Marty
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> rof. Machiel Karskens
> ocial and political philosophy
> aculty of Philosophy
> adboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
>
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> ate: Mon, 3 May 2010 03:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
> rom: salvo vaccaro <salvovaccaro@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: [Foucault-L] conference in Palermo, Italy
> o: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Dear all,
> that's a Conference about the foucauldian "Le gouvernement de soi et des
> utres", to be held in Palermo, Italy, on May 20-21 (in italian).
> Salvo Vaccaro
>
> NIVERSITA? DEGLI STUDI DI PALERMO
> ACOLTA? DI SCIENZE DELLA FORMAZIONE
> IPARTIMENTO DI ARTI E COMUNICAZIONI
> OTTORATO DI RICERCA IN STUDI CULTURALI
> RIN 2007 ?GOVERNANCE E GOVERNAMENTALITA??
> ENTRO INTERDIPARTIMENTALE ?BIOPOLITICA, BIOECONOMIA E PROCESSI DI
> OGGETTIVAZIONE?
> ENTRE CULTUREL FRANCAIS DE PALERME ET DE SICILE
> Il governo di se?, il governo degli altri
> Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile
> antieri culturali della Zisa, v. Paolo Gili 4
> Giovedi? 20 maggio 2010 Ore 16,00
> hair: Eric Biagi (Centre Culturel Francais de Palerme et de Sicile) Saluti
> elle Autorita?
> ichele Cometa (Preside della Facolta? di Scienze della Formazione) Patrizia
> endinara (Decano del Dipartimento di Arti e comunicazioni)
> Introduzione Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
> Ore 16,30
> lain Brossat (Universite? de Paris VIII) Questions sur le pouvoir pastoral
> andro Chignola (Universita? di Padova) Dal biopotere al fatto di governo
> aura Bazzicalupo (Universita? di Salerno) Pragmatica anarchica e virtu?
> semplari: un post-strutturalista ad Atene
> Venerdi? 21 maggio 2010 Ore 9.30
> hair: Piero Violante (Universita? di Palermo)
> Ottavio Marzocca (Universita? di Bari) La parresia e le liberta? trans-politiche
> Mario Galzigna (Universita? di Venezia) Lo scandalo della verita?. Esteriorita?
> processi di soggettivazione
> lessandro Mariani (Universita? di Firenze) Pedagogia e anti-pedagogia in Michel
> oucault
> andro Luce (Universita? di Salerno) Dalla verita? sulla vita alla vita vera
> Ore 16,00
> hair: Francesco Viola (Universita? di Palermo)
> Alfonso Catania (Universita? di Salerno) La norma: processi di
> nteriorizzazione e di decisione
> ntonio Tucci (Universita? di Salerno) Trasformazioni del diritto e
> oggettivazioni eterogenee
> oberto Nigro (Zuricher Hochschule der Kunste) Il colpo di stato come teoria e
> ratica di governo
> erena Marceno? (Universita? di Palermo) Minorita?, subalternita?,
> oggettivazione
> Conclusioni: Salvo Vaccaro (Universita? di Palermo)
>
>
>
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> ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:23:28 -0700
> rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
> ubject: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1274995408.7321.1.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain
> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> oftware, networking, and so forth? His mode
> f analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> o today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> ight have written directly about such technology.
> -t
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:07:42 +0930
> rom: David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> achines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> n hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> hat the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> hey were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> olicies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> ew people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> niversity infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> ad used it.
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> ommunicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> e interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> iscuss the matter
> D
>
> n 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> might have written directly about such technology.
>
> -t
>
>
>
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:41:17 +1000
> rom: martin hardie <martin.hardie@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID:
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> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> yes I thought that Mr David
> But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
> ocieties to continue the Foucault trail?
>
> On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> ate: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:55:24 -0700
> rom: Thomas Lord <lord@xxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1275004524.7321.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain
> So, sure - he didn't live to see the pervasive
> mplications of the Internet per se but a couple
> f things:
> 1) He did live long enough to get a taste for what
> omputing and networking might bring (by decades)
> ence my fishing for cites. That's why I asked.
>
> ) By 1994 (per Mr. McInnerny's comment) *lots* of
> ndergrads were using the Internet. Big time.
> I do have a distorted lens perspective of coming out of the
> arnegie Mellon University environment but at least there
> nd at quite a few other campuses - Internet access and use was
> airly ubiquitous almost a decade before that. The web
> idn't quite yet exist although lots of people were trying
> o get it started - but the 'net was in full swing on a bunch
> f campuses.
> I appreciate both comments and any cites that might
> rop up. I'm just fishing to see if there's some stuff
> wasn't aware of in his writings.
> -t
>
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 07:41 +1000, martin hardie wrote:
> yes I thought that Mr David
>
> But then maybe you have to jump to good old D&G ... eg Postscript on control
> societies to continue the Foucault trail?
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2010 07:37, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> > > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > > might have written directly about such technology.
> > >
> > > -t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
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>
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:02 +0200
> rom: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <4BFF74F6.8080601@xxxxxxxxx>
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> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> he Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> pple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> ommunication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> nd the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> oucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> echnology.
> erik
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
>
> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> had used it.
>
> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
>
> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> discuss the matter
>
> D
>
>
> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
>
>
> > Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> > software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> > of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> > to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> > might have written directly about such technology.
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 9
> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:42:19 +1000
> rom: peter chamberlain <natakimd@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID:
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> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new media. he
> elieves foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once, and
> hat in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but he also
> eems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not sure
> hy foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new tech -
> e was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but one
> ould assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple functions.
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>
> >> -t
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:51:05 -0500
> rom: Chathan Vemuri <aryavartacnsrn@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
> ould not be expected to comment on everything.
> ut then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
> f philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
> hink he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> ut yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> media. he
> believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> and
> that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> he also
> seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> sure
> why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> tech -
> he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> one
> could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> functions.
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> > the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> > Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> > communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> > and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> > Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> > technology.
> >
> > erik
> >
> > Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>
> >> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >> DOS
> >> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >> had used it.
> >>
> >> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>
> >> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >> discuss the matter
> >>
> >> D
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>
> >>> -t
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> >>
> >
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> ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:15:15 -0500
> rom: Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> essage-ID: <1B8EE9AF-FFF6-450B-883B-4C5823C2FCED@xxxxxxxxx>
> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> Foucault did not think about the future the way some do. In Ethics Subjectivity
> nd Truth, p. 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
> hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
> tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
> upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
> uture. In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
> utile because it obscures the present. More about the stultus there as well.
> Doug
> -----
> ouglas Olena
> oug@xxxxxxxxx
> ttp://olena.com/wordpress1
> 17-887-0332 h
> 17-988-4337 c
> ----
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> > I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.
> Could not be expected to comment on everything.
> But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing
> of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would
> think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
>
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault deleuze and the new
> > media. he
> > believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,
> > and
> > that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but
> > he also
> > seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not
> > sure
> > why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new
> > tech -
> > he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but
> > one
> > could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple
> > functions.
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> >> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> >> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> >> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> >> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> >> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> >> technology.
> >>
> >> erik
> >>
> >> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >>> DOS
> >>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >>> policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >>> university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >>> had used it.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>>
> >>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >>> discuss the matter
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>>> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>>
> >>>> -t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
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> ate: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:49:21 +0200
> rom: "M. Karskens" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> I did never found any trace of interest in computing, calculating or
> nformation technology in Foucault.
> sk Daniel Defert, if he ever had a (proto) computer or text-machine?
> s far as I know - or rather guess - he did write by hand and did not
> ven use a typewriter.
> Of course he could be seen as a forerunner of the internet and ICT
> ociety; see his open-end network-like approach (discurive formations
> nd mechanism or technology of power) of technology, knowledge and
> ower control,
> nd especially his ideas of the permanent examination and data
> ontrol in criminology and human sciences in general - including medicine .
> ut it is up to us, and therefore our interpretation, to apply these
> ints to our ICT-control- society
> yours
> achiel karskens
>
> t 09:47 28-5-2010, you wrote:
> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> technology.
>
> erik
>
> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> > Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >
> > Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-DOS
> > machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> > in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> > that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> > they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> > policies on! Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> > few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> > university infrastructure. I didn't know any undergrad students who
> > had used it.
> >
> > Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> > communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >
> > So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> > be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> > discuss the matter
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >> software, networking, and so forth? His mode
> >> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>
> >> -t
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> >
>
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>
>
> rof. Machiel Karskens
> ocial and political philosophy
> aculty of Philosophy
> adboud University Nijmegen - The Netherlands
>
> -----------------------------
> Message: 13
> ate: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT)
> rom: tomas marconi <tomaasm@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> It seems our contemporary status of inundation by ?technological mediation is
> et another ?compelling, even?seductive,?nearly uncompromising ?layer of the
> apparatus.' See Giorgio Agamben's recent text on Foucault's concept.?
> hen sit down with someone, maybe two or three people, and have a conversation
> bout this with them. notice the difference between that conversation and ours
> ere...
> --- On Fri, 5/28/10, Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Douglas Olena <doug@xxxxxxxxx>
> ubject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault v. Web 2.0
> o: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ate: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:15 PM
> Foucault did not think about the future the way some do.? In Ethics Subjectivity
> nd Truth, p.? 211-12 He describes stultitia as an unproductive state of mind
> hat looks toward the future, preventing it ?from providing a fixed point for
> tself in the possession of an acquired truth.? I think the sense here is that
> upomnemata through a grounding in useful principles prevents worry about the
> uture.? In Hermeneutics of the Subject p. 465 Thinking about the future is
> utile because it obscures the present.? More about the stultus there as well.
> Doug
> -----
> ouglas Olena
> oug@xxxxxxxxx
> ttp://olena.com/wordpress1
> 17-887-0332 h
> 17-988-4337 c
> ----
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Chathan Vemuri wrote:
> > I guess that was what he meant by being a non-universal intellectual.?
> Could not be expected to comment on everything.
> But then again, given the impact the television had on the marketing?
> of philosophy to the French public during the 60's and 70's, I would?
> think he would eventually have something to say. Odd.
> But yes, we can go on without him on talking about this.
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 3:42 AM, peter chamberlain wrote:
>
> > Mark Poster has a piece on itunesu, foucault? deleuze and the new?
> > media. he
> > believes foucault never referred to computers, or perhaps only once,?
> > and
> > that in general foucault was silent with regards to the media. but?
> > he also
> > seems to believe this silence can be filled in. to be honest i'm not?
> > sure
> > why foucault would have been expect to foresee the impact of the new?
> > tech -
> > he was also relatively silent on feminism and post colonialism, but?
> > one
> > could assume the nature of a tool box is that it has multiple?
> > functions.
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxx>?
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But something was going on, there was the Spectrum, the Commodore 64,
> >> the Sinclair QL and even the first Amiga and Atari computers and the
> >> Apple. People held high hopes for the future. The implications of
> >> communication networks were not yet discusses, but the automatisation
> >> and the processing of data by computers was already an item. Perhaps
> >> Foucault didn't foresee the far reaching consequences of the oncoming
> >> technology.
> >>
> >> erik
> >>
> >> Op 27-05-10 23:37, David McInerney schreef:
> >>> Given when he died I imagine there wasn't much to say.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 people were still getting excited over the new AT MS-
> >>> DOS
> >>> machines with two 5.25" floppy disks and even in 1987 I was informed
> >>> in hushed tones as a new employee about the amazing 20MB hard drive
> >>> that the big insurance company I worked for had installed and which
> >>> they were hoping to eventually scan and store all of the insurance
> >>> policies on!? Even in 1994 the internet was a huge deal and only a
> >>> few people I knew had access to it, generally academics using
> >>> university infrastructure.? I didn't know any undergrad students who
> >>> had used it.
> >>>
> >>> Back in 1984 it was people posting modem addresses in magazines and
> >>> communicating one-to-one as far as I can remember.
> >>>
> >>> So no I wouldn't expect anything in Foucault's work itself, but I'd
> >>> be interested to see what people have done with his work since to
> >>> discuss the matter
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/05/2010, at 6:53 AM, Thomas Lord wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Did Foucault write anything about computing,
> >>>> software, networking, and so forth????His mode
> >>>> of analysis seems to have a lot of relevance
> >>>> to today's Internet but I'm wondering what he
> >>>> might have written directly about such technology.
> >>>>
> >>>> -t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Foucault-L mailing list
> >>
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