Re: [Foucault-L] Duration, Dasein, Geneology, Archaeology.

Even if Foucault didn't rely on Heidegger that much theoretically (at
least consciously), that doesn't necessarily mean one can't put them
in a productive encounter or confrontation.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Nathaniel Roberts <npr4@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The biggest promoter of the idea that Foucault was heavily indebted to
> Heidegger (esp. late Heidegger) is Hubert Dreyfus.  The parts of his
> co-authored book that argue that came from him.  His co-author, Paul
> Rabinow, does not agree.  Apart from that book, Dreyfus has a couple of
> papers on his web site that extend his argument.
> See here:
> I'm not endorsing these arguments, by the way.  But for those interested in
> pursuing this line of thought (critically or otherwise), that would be one
> place to start.
> Nate
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel) <
> mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> In Foucault's published works, I cannot find indications that Foucault
>> really was a 'close'reader of Heidegger. In comparaison wih e.g. Hegel, Kant
>> or Nietzsche there are not many references (18)to Heidegger in Dits et
>> Ecrits. Nearly all references to Heidegger are by the way or in a list of
>> names.
>> Of course, in the interview 'Le retour de la morale' after a question on
>> Heidegger, Foucault himself said that he was a close reader of Heidegger in
>> the 1950s, and that Heidegger was the essential philosopher to him. So what!
>> Self-testimonies are not very reliable. And taking his words as a truth,
>> even then they do not say that he always has been a close reader, he speaks
>> only of 1952 and 1953. (see Dits et Ecrits, IV p. 703)
>> Moreover, I could not find any place in his works where he directely
>> discusses or analyses a text of Heidegger or one of Heidegger's
>> philosophical notions or ideas. Foucault himself also says so in the same
>> interview.
>> I could neither detect in his works or in his methods a typical
>> Heidegerrian approach or way of thinking. Some people claim that the
>> Analytic of Finitude in The Order of Things is Heideggerian. I my opinion it
>> is much more Kantian, and derived from his thesis on Kant's Antropology,
>> then Heideggerian.
>> yours
>> machiel karskens
>> ----- "michael bibby" <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > From: "michael bibby" <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 6:17:18 AM
>> > Subject: [Foucault-L] Duration, Dasein, Geneology, Archaeology.
>> >
>> > Certainly, Foucault was a close reader of Heidegger, who in turn was a
>> > close reader of Bergson. This is also true of Minkowski, and a host of
>> > others who seem to have rallied around Bergsons book which emerged as
>> > a balwark against the 'scientific barbarism', 'mechanistic
>> > rationality', 'technocrasy' of the age. Perhaps we could say that
>> > Foucault was reponding, in part at least, to the same crises which
>> > Bergson, Minkowski, Heidegger, Spengler, and many others were
>> > responding to, what we could provisionally call 'the crises of
>> > history', 'the crises of modernity'- the temporal crises which Elliot
>> > found at the crossroads of Little Gidding, the spiritual crises which
>> > Toynbee saw the west involving the rest of the world in as it spread
>> > its civilization throughout it.
>> >
>> > Jungs description of the wandering jew who is unable to draw fresh
>> > life from the earth through his feet because they have been uprooted
>> > from their ancestral land could just as easily be applied to 'modern
>> > man', ahistorical and independent of geographical place, rendered
>> > mobile and shut up in hismself. Indeed, we see that it was, and least
>> > of all in Mein Kampf. We could say that this picture of the Jew is
>> > really a kind of charicture of modern man, more precisely of his
>> > 'priestly nature', to borrow Marx's expression.
>> >
>> > The archaic revival in Germany, we read in The Function of the Orgasm,
>> > can be seen as a responce, although confused as to its object, to the
>> > 'mystical longing' opened up in the depths of mans alienation from the
>> > archaeology of the land, from the geneology of his people: just as the
>> > Jew had an ancient tradition which he carried around with him like an
>> > arab his tent through the desert, so too the German had the
>> > Indo-European- a retrospective hypothesis- geneology to restore him to
>> > the profundity from which he had become estranged through
>> > abstraction.
>> >
>> > Tarkovsky takes up these themes in his allegory of Solviet Russia in
>> > the form of the oceanic space-station Solaris: this is the precise
>> > meaning of the pot-plant, which is the last thing we see before we
>> > leave the space station- the strange melieu in which it alone made the
>> > only sense- and return to earth.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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