@ Kevin Truner I think the main opposition to this as archivism should be looked at in Psychiatry.
Their idea that a mind as a thinking working organism can be deduced is the main paradox
as we all know as well that the ideas and notions in psychiatry are extremely fascist.
currently they work on the "oppositional defiant disorder" (something Michel Foucault no doubt would be going. HUHH??
max Keiser on Russia today stated this as a "problem with the fractal, or inspiration based ideas, and the function of the mind itself.", being himself highly involved in any kind of revolution. he had a geust on show, an artist i believe, speaking of this matter.
Also schopenhauer stated in his philosophy that "The german (and dutch) "wirklichkeit" (dutch werkelijkheid) literal translation "workingdom" is a much better word for "reality" since he concidered it a "working progress". Not to exist but turning as a radar. or, the perpetual will, greeding mercyless will. always to desire, never to be fulfilled. maybe the will of knowledge, inspiration, which to Schopenhauer was the highest in music and genius, of which inspiration then probably would suffer most, whereas music was the most advanced or healing art. (to him and to genius i imagine)
...
actual philosophers of total stagnation or this as a concept is hard to conceive, but schopenhauer had two followers, mainlander and some other, who both said that "the evolution of society is running towards the satisfaction of all human desire, after which they will not want it no more" one said this should be realized on purpose, the other said it just as some kind of observation. though they seem opposites in general onlook.
the actual complete shutdown is hard to think of.
...
Foucoult, basically said analysis as far as it is analysis is impossible, and valuable only as far as it is inspiration. or to contribute to the composing of the structure.
@group, I am still looking for a documentary film made before 2000 and broadcasted somewhere in 1999 about Michel Foucault last footage. It was recorded in his hotel i believe in France where he made "matrix" like grasping gestures to the camera, and spoke about "regression" studying the thoughts of Sade and Nietzsche, and speaking of looking for "one thought" also speaking about "regression"
Does anyone know if at a later stage, possible and preferably last stage of his books he mentioned "regression" and in what formula. I am looking for references to sensory and artisan as classical living preferably. But any other reference may lead me to think about this, as it clearly is what various movements underground without knowing this evolved towards (steampunk, medieval, metal, paganism, etc)
If anyone could find the documentary and or site of the publisher and or the original footage, its very sure not on youtube.
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:37:55 -0300
From: Guillermo Vega <gui_vega@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
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I think that there is not a real debate between Habermas and Foucault.
Anyway, you can find the central area of conflict in "The Philosophical
Discourse of Modernity".
Best,
Guillermo
2011/9/28 David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> I have to agree with this!
>
>
> On 28/09/2011, at 8:52 PM, ari wrote:
>
> > if you can't do that best not even try reading the stuff!
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:28:23 +0530, Amitranjan Basu wrote:
> >> no one is providing the full citation so that i can search!
> >>
> >> On 28 September 2011 16:17, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I seem to remember that the little book 'Remarks on Marx' - later
> >>> published
> >>> in a different translation - had a lot in it on the critical
> >>> theorists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/09/2011, at 7:46 PM, Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The best text of Foucault is the second part of his article The
> >>> Subject
> >>> and Power. There, he explicitly discusses his theory of
> >>> power/politics as
> >>> being different from Habermas'theory of communication.
> >>>>
> >>>> yours
> >>>> machiel karskens
> >>>>
> >>>> Reno" <renomich@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:43:26 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
> >>>>>
> >>>>> critique and power, subtitled, recasting the Foucault-Habermas
> >>> debate,
> >>>>> has many of the primary texts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:35 AM, ari wrote:
> >>>>>> axel honneth 'critique of power' is a classic on this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:30:24 +0100, Tee Dub wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am in my fourth year at the University of Edinburgh and have
> >>>>>>> decided to do my dissertation on Foucault and in particular the
> >>>>>>> ?debate? that he had with Habermas over the term ?power?. I am
> >>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> very early stages of the project and am in need of some advice.
> >>>>> Would
> >>>>>>> anyone be able to tell me what the central area of conflict
> >>> between
> >>>>>>> the two was and know where Foucault best outlines his opinion
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> power
> >>>>>>> and where Habermas outlines his? Also are there any secondary
> >>>>> sources
> >>>>>>> that I may find useful?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any help is much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Terrence
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:58:07 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
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Dear Foucault listers,
In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,' AS: 171).
I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes similar claims, and if so, where.
I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
Regards,
Kevin.
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:03:11 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel)" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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Dear Kevin
The axes of Foucault's analysis is his theory of the ?nonc? [ how do you call this in English?] as a speech singularity or event, which has always a history.
So the idea of the archive has to do with the question how an archive of ?nonc?s could be possible.
Then Foucault does not say that it is not possible at all or completely or logically impossible to describe your own archive.
Your quote is preceded by the phrase: "on ne peut d?crire EXHAISTIVEMENT l'archive d'une soci?t?"
and followed by: ... Elle [ = the archive] se donne par fragements, r?gions, niveaux
...
and on p. 172 (Franch text) the archive is finally described as "la bordure du temps qui entourne notre pr?sent"
some literature on this point is
I. Hacking (2002) Historical Ontology (London 2002)
T. Flynn 'Michel Foucault and the career of the historical event' in B. Dauenhauer ed At the nexus of philosophy and history (Athene 1988) 178-200
Michel de Certeau Heterologies. Discourse on the Other, Minneapolis 1986
Gilles Deleuze : ?Un nouvel archiviste? = chapter 1 of his 1986 book Foucault
Veyne, Paul (1978) 'Foucault r?volutionne l'histoire' in Comment on ?crit l'histoire, , Seuil, Paris 1978
yours
machiel karskens
----- "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:58:07 PM
> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>
> Dear Foucault listers,
>
> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can
> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
> AS: 171).
>
> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
> similar claims, and if so, where.
> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:10:28 -0400
From: Burak Kose <burakkose@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
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Foucault Contra Habermas: Recasting the Debate between Genealogy and
Critical Theory (ed. by Samantha Ashenden and David Owen)
Critique and Power: Recasting the Foucault/Habermas Debate (ed. by Michael
Kelly)
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Guillermo Vega <gui_vega@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I think that there is not a real debate between Habermas and Foucault.
> Anyway, you can find the central area of conflict in "The Philosophical
> Discourse of Modernity".
> Best,
>
> Guillermo
>
>
>
> 2011/9/28 David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > I have to agree with this!
> >
> >
> > On 28/09/2011, at 8:52 PM, ari wrote:
> >
> > > if you can't do that best not even try reading the stuff!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:28:23 +0530, Amitranjan Basu wrote:
> > >> no one is providing the full citation so that i can search!
> > >>
> > >> On 28 September 2011 16:17, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I seem to remember that the little book 'Remarks on Marx' - later
> > >>> published
> > >>> in a different translation - had a lot in it on the critical
> > >>> theorists
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 28/09/2011, at 7:46 PM, Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel) wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The best text of Foucault is the second part of his article The
> > >>> Subject
> > >>> and Power. There, he explicitly discusses his theory of
> > >>> power/politics as
> > >>> being different from Habermas'theory of communication.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> yours
> > >>>> machiel karskens
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Reno" <renomich@xxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:43:26 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> critique and power, subtitled, recasting the Foucault-Habermas
> > >>> debate,
> > >>>>> has many of the primary texts
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:35 AM, ari wrote:
> > >>>>>> axel honneth 'critique of power' is a classic on this.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:30:24 +0100, Tee Dub wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am in my fourth year at the University of Edinburgh and have
> > >>>>>>> decided to do my dissertation on Foucault and in particular the
> > >>>>>>> ?debate? that he had with Habermas over the term ?power?. I am
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> very early stages of the project and am in need of some advice.
> > >>>>> Would
> > >>>>>>> anyone be able to tell me what the central area of conflict
> > >>> between
> > >>>>>>> the two was and know where Foucault best outlines his opinion
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> power
> > >>>>>>> and where Habermas outlines his? Also are there any secondary
> > >>>>> sources
> > >>>>>>> that I may find useful?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any help is much appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Terrence
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:44:06 +0100
From: ari <ari@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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To me this is really a translation of Kant's first paralogism of reason
as it applies to language: how can the I be both subject and object of
knowledge. I would point to Foucault's writings on Kant. As for
counterclaims, it depends on whether you would defend the exteriority of
language.
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:58:07 -0800, Kevin Turner wrote:
> Dear Foucault listers,
>
> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we
> can
> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
> AS: 171).
>
> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
> similar claims, and if so, where.
> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:13:21 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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Dear Machiel,
The conventional translation for ?nonc? is statement or utterance.
And thanks for the references, most of which I already have; I have an updated version of Flynn's text in his Sartrre, Foucault, and Historical Reason, Vol. 2 (Ch. 3); and I presume that you mean Ch. 5 of Hacking's book.
Thanks once again for the references - Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:03:11 +0200 (CEST)
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>
> Dear Kevin
>
> The axes of Foucault's analysis is his theory of the ?nonc? [ how do you
> call this in English?] as a speech singularity or event, which has always
> a history.
> So the idea of the archive has to do with the question how an archive of
> ?nonc?s could be possible.
> Then Foucault does not say that it is not possible at all or completely
> or logically impossible to describe your own archive.
> Your quote is preceded by the phrase: "on ne peut d?crire EXHAISTIVEMENT
> l'archive d'une soci?t?"
>
> and followed by: ... Elle [ = the archive] se donne par fragements,
> r?gions, niveaux
> ...
> and on p. 172 (Franch text) the archive is finally described as "la
> bordure du temps qui entourne notre pr?sent"
>
>
> some literature on this point is
>
> I. Hacking (2002) Historical Ontology (London 2002)
>
> T. Flynn 'Michel Foucault and the career of the historical event' in B.
> Dauenhauer ed At the nexus of philosophy and history (Athene 1988)
> 178-200
>
> Michel de Certeau Heterologies. Discourse on the Other, Minneapolis 1986
>
> Gilles Deleuze : ?Un nouvel archiviste? = chapter 1 of his 1986 book
> Foucault
>
> Veyne, Paul (1978) 'Foucault r?volutionne l'histoire' in Comment on ?crit
> l'histoire, , Seuil, Paris 1978
>
>
> yours
> machiel karskens
> ----- "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:58:07 PM
>> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>>
>> Dear Foucault listers,
>>
>> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
>> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
>> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can
>> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
>> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
>> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
>> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
>> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
>> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
>> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
>> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
>> AS: 171).
>>
>> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
>> similar claims, and if so, where.
>> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
>> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
>> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin.
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:22:56 -0500
From: Licho Lopez <lllopez2@xxxxxxxx>
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Dear Foucault listers,
Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/speaks of "event"?
Thanks,
Licho
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000
From: Sam Binkley <samuel_binkley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
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check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the rabinow
reader.
sb
On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
> Dear Foucault listers,
> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
> speaks of "event"?
> Thanks,
> Licho
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:30:02 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
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The Archaeology of Knowledge and 'Questions of Method'
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>
> Dear Foucault listers,
> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/speaks
> of "event"?
> Thanks,
> Licho
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:32:34 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
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The Archaeology of Knowledge and 'Questions of Method' in The Foucault Effect
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From: "Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel)" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
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as a supplement of what is said about event(mentalization) in the Archeology of Knowledge
Foucault's lectures of 1970-1971 (Lecons sur la Volonte de Savoir, edited February 2011) are very interesting, especially the lecture of March 17 1971 in which Truth is discussed as an evenmental operation.
Foucault is re-using here Nietzsche's theory of Truth and Lie.
yours
machiel karskens
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> > Dear Foucault listers,
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:30:38 +0100
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for background, francois simiand and paul lacombe as mentioned in
Braudel's preface to the first edition of le mediterranee
http://generation-online.org/c/ceventalization.htm
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000, Sam Binkley wrote:
> check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the
> rabinow
> reader.
>
> sb
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
>
>> Dear Foucault listers,
>> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
>> speaks of "event"?
>> Thanks,
>> Licho
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you should also check out 'what is critique?' in "The Politics of Truth," pp.59ff.
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> for background, francois simiand and paul lacombe as mentioned in
> Braudel's preface to the first edition of le mediterranee
>
> http://generation-online.org/c/ceventalization.htm
>
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000, Sam Binkley wrote:
>> check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the
>> rabinow
>> reader.
>>
>> sb
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Foucault listers,
>>> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
>>> speaks of "event"?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Licho
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Their idea that a mind as a thinking working organism can be deduced is the main paradox
as we all know as well that the ideas and notions in psychiatry are extremely fascist.
currently they work on the "oppositional defiant disorder" (something Michel Foucault no doubt would be going. HUHH??
max Keiser on Russia today stated this as a "problem with the fractal, or inspiration based ideas, and the function of the mind itself.", being himself highly involved in any kind of revolution. he had a geust on show, an artist i believe, speaking of this matter.
Also schopenhauer stated in his philosophy that "The german (and dutch) "wirklichkeit" (dutch werkelijkheid) literal translation "workingdom" is a much better word for "reality" since he concidered it a "working progress". Not to exist but turning as a radar. or, the perpetual will, greeding mercyless will. always to desire, never to be fulfilled. maybe the will of knowledge, inspiration, which to Schopenhauer was the highest in music and genius, of which inspiration then probably would suffer most, whereas music was the most advanced or healing art. (to him and to genius i imagine)
...
actual philosophers of total stagnation or this as a concept is hard to conceive, but schopenhauer had two followers, mainlander and some other, who both said that "the evolution of society is running towards the satisfaction of all human desire, after which they will not want it no more" one said this should be realized on purpose, the other said it just as some kind of observation. though they seem opposites in general onlook.
the actual complete shutdown is hard to think of.
...
Foucoult, basically said analysis as far as it is analysis is impossible, and valuable only as far as it is inspiration. or to contribute to the composing of the structure.
@group, I am still looking for a documentary film made before 2000 and broadcasted somewhere in 1999 about Michel Foucault last footage. It was recorded in his hotel i believe in France where he made "matrix" like grasping gestures to the camera, and spoke about "regression" studying the thoughts of Sade and Nietzsche, and speaking of looking for "one thought" also speaking about "regression"
Does anyone know if at a later stage, possible and preferably last stage of his books he mentioned "regression" and in what formula. I am looking for references to sensory and artisan as classical living preferably. But any other reference may lead me to think about this, as it clearly is what various movements underground without knowing this evolved towards (steampunk, medieval, metal, paganism, etc)
If anyone could find the documentary and or site of the publisher and or the original footage, its very sure not on youtube.
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:37:55 -0300
From: Guillermo Vega <gui_vega@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I think that there is not a real debate between Habermas and Foucault.
Anyway, you can find the central area of conflict in "The Philosophical
Discourse of Modernity".
Best,
Guillermo
2011/9/28 David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> I have to agree with this!
>
>
> On 28/09/2011, at 8:52 PM, ari wrote:
>
> > if you can't do that best not even try reading the stuff!
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:28:23 +0530, Amitranjan Basu wrote:
> >> no one is providing the full citation so that i can search!
> >>
> >> On 28 September 2011 16:17, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I seem to remember that the little book 'Remarks on Marx' - later
> >>> published
> >>> in a different translation - had a lot in it on the critical
> >>> theorists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/09/2011, at 7:46 PM, Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The best text of Foucault is the second part of his article The
> >>> Subject
> >>> and Power. There, he explicitly discusses his theory of
> >>> power/politics as
> >>> being different from Habermas'theory of communication.
> >>>>
> >>>> yours
> >>>> machiel karskens
> >>>>
> >>>> Reno" <renomich@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:43:26 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
> >>>>>
> >>>>> critique and power, subtitled, recasting the Foucault-Habermas
> >>> debate,
> >>>>> has many of the primary texts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:35 AM, ari wrote:
> >>>>>> axel honneth 'critique of power' is a classic on this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:30:24 +0100, Tee Dub wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am in my fourth year at the University of Edinburgh and have
> >>>>>>> decided to do my dissertation on Foucault and in particular the
> >>>>>>> ?debate? that he had with Habermas over the term ?power?. I am
> >>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> very early stages of the project and am in need of some advice.
> >>>>> Would
> >>>>>>> anyone be able to tell me what the central area of conflict
> >>> between
> >>>>>>> the two was and know where Foucault best outlines his opinion
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> power
> >>>>>>> and where Habermas outlines his? Also are there any secondary
> >>>>> sources
> >>>>>>> that I may find useful?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any help is much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Terrence
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:58:07 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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Dear Foucault listers,
In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,' AS: 171).
I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes similar claims, and if so, where.
I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
Regards,
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:03:11 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel)" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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Dear Kevin
The axes of Foucault's analysis is his theory of the ?nonc? [ how do you call this in English?] as a speech singularity or event, which has always a history.
So the idea of the archive has to do with the question how an archive of ?nonc?s could be possible.
Then Foucault does not say that it is not possible at all or completely or logically impossible to describe your own archive.
Your quote is preceded by the phrase: "on ne peut d?crire EXHAISTIVEMENT l'archive d'une soci?t?"
and followed by: ... Elle [ = the archive] se donne par fragements, r?gions, niveaux
...
and on p. 172 (Franch text) the archive is finally described as "la bordure du temps qui entourne notre pr?sent"
some literature on this point is
I. Hacking (2002) Historical Ontology (London 2002)
T. Flynn 'Michel Foucault and the career of the historical event' in B. Dauenhauer ed At the nexus of philosophy and history (Athene 1988) 178-200
Michel de Certeau Heterologies. Discourse on the Other, Minneapolis 1986
Gilles Deleuze : ?Un nouvel archiviste? = chapter 1 of his 1986 book Foucault
Veyne, Paul (1978) 'Foucault r?volutionne l'histoire' in Comment on ?crit l'histoire, , Seuil, Paris 1978
yours
machiel karskens
----- "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:58:07 PM
> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>
> Dear Foucault listers,
>
> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can
> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
> AS: 171).
>
> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
> similar claims, and if so, where.
> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:10:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
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Foucault Contra Habermas: Recasting the Debate between Genealogy and
Critical Theory (ed. by Samantha Ashenden and David Owen)
Critique and Power: Recasting the Foucault/Habermas Debate (ed. by Michael
Kelly)
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Guillermo Vega <gui_vega@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I think that there is not a real debate between Habermas and Foucault.
> Anyway, you can find the central area of conflict in "The Philosophical
> Discourse of Modernity".
> Best,
>
> Guillermo
>
>
>
> 2011/9/28 David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > I have to agree with this!
> >
> >
> > On 28/09/2011, at 8:52 PM, ari wrote:
> >
> > > if you can't do that best not even try reading the stuff!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:28:23 +0530, Amitranjan Basu wrote:
> > >> no one is providing the full citation so that i can search!
> > >>
> > >> On 28 September 2011 16:17, David McInerney <vagabond@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I seem to remember that the little book 'Remarks on Marx' - later
> > >>> published
> > >>> in a different translation - had a lot in it on the critical
> > >>> theorists
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 28/09/2011, at 7:46 PM, Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel) wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The best text of Foucault is the second part of his article The
> > >>> Subject
> > >>> and Power. There, he explicitly discusses his theory of
> > >>> power/politics as
> > >>> being different from Habermas'theory of communication.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> yours
> > >>>> machiel karskens
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Reno" <renomich@xxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:43:26 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Foucault-Habermas Debate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> critique and power, subtitled, recasting the Foucault-Habermas
> > >>> debate,
> > >>>>> has many of the primary texts
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:35 AM, ari wrote:
> > >>>>>> axel honneth 'critique of power' is a classic on this.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:30:24 +0100, Tee Dub wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am in my fourth year at the University of Edinburgh and have
> > >>>>>>> decided to do my dissertation on Foucault and in particular the
> > >>>>>>> ?debate? that he had with Habermas over the term ?power?. I am
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> very early stages of the project and am in need of some advice.
> > >>>>> Would
> > >>>>>>> anyone be able to tell me what the central area of conflict
> > >>> between
> > >>>>>>> the two was and know where Foucault best outlines his opinion
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> power
> > >>>>>>> and where Habermas outlines his? Also are there any secondary
> > >>>>> sources
> > >>>>>>> that I may find useful?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any help is much appreciated.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Terrence
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Foucault-L mailing list
> > >>>>>>
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To me this is really a translation of Kant's first paralogism of reason
as it applies to language: how can the I be both subject and object of
knowledge. I would point to Foucault's writings on Kant. As for
counterclaims, it depends on whether you would defend the exteriority of
language.
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:58:07 -0800, Kevin Turner wrote:
> Dear Foucault listers,
>
> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we
> can
> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
> AS: 171).
>
> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
> similar claims, and if so, where.
> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:13:21 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
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Dear Machiel,
The conventional translation for ?nonc? is statement or utterance.
And thanks for the references, most of which I already have; I have an updated version of Flynn's text in his Sartrre, Foucault, and Historical Reason, Vol. 2 (Ch. 3); and I presume that you mean Ch. 5 of Hacking's book.
Thanks once again for the references - Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:03:11 +0200 (CEST)
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>
> Dear Kevin
>
> The axes of Foucault's analysis is his theory of the ?nonc? [ how do you
> call this in English?] as a speech singularity or event, which has always
> a history.
> So the idea of the archive has to do with the question how an archive of
> ?nonc?s could be possible.
> Then Foucault does not say that it is not possible at all or completely
> or logically impossible to describe your own archive.
> Your quote is preceded by the phrase: "on ne peut d?crire EXHAISTIVEMENT
> l'archive d'une soci?t?"
>
> and followed by: ... Elle [ = the archive] se donne par fragements,
> r?gions, niveaux
> ...
> and on p. 172 (Franch text) the archive is finally described as "la
> bordure du temps qui entourne notre pr?sent"
>
>
> some literature on this point is
>
> I. Hacking (2002) Historical Ontology (London 2002)
>
> T. Flynn 'Michel Foucault and the career of the historical event' in B.
> Dauenhauer ed At the nexus of philosophy and history (Athene 1988)
> 178-200
>
> Michel de Certeau Heterologies. Discourse on the Other, Minneapolis 1986
>
> Gilles Deleuze : ?Un nouvel archiviste? = chapter 1 of his 1986 book
> Foucault
>
> Veyne, Paul (1978) 'Foucault r?volutionne l'histoire' in Comment on ?crit
> l'histoire, , Seuil, Paris 1978
>
>
> yours
> machiel karskens
> ----- "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:58:07 PM
>> Subject: [Foucault-L] The Archive
>>
>> Dear Foucault listers,
>>
>> In The Archaeology of Knowledge, Foucault states that 'it is not
>> possible for us to describe our own archive, since it is from within
>> these rules that we speak, since it is that which gives to what we can
>> say ? and to itself, the object of our discourse ? its modes of
>> appearance, its forms of existence and coexistence, its system of
>> accumulation, historicity, and disappearance' (AK: 130; 'il ne nous
>> est pas possible de decrire notre propre archive, puisque c'est a
>> I'interieur de ses regles que no us parlons, puis que c' est eIle qui
>> donne a ce que nous pouvons dire - et a elle-meme, objet de notre
>> discours - ses modes d'apparition, ses formes d'existence et de
>> coexistence, son systeme de cumul, d'historicite et de disparition,'
>> AS: 171).
>>
>> I was wondering if there are other instances where Foucault makes
>> similar claims, and if so, where.
>> I was also wondering if there are any discussions concerning this
>> claim, and whether anybody has made a counter claim: i.e. that we can
>> have access to, and thus describe, our own archive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin.
>>
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:22:56 -0500
From: Licho Lopez <lllopez2@xxxxxxxx>
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Dear Foucault listers,
Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/speaks of "event"?
Thanks,
Licho
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000
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check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the rabinow
reader.
sb
On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
> Dear Foucault listers,
> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
> speaks of "event"?
> Thanks,
> Licho
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:30:02 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
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The Archaeology of Knowledge and 'Questions of Method'
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>
> Dear Foucault listers,
> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/speaks
> of "event"?
> Thanks,
> Licho
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:32:34 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
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The Archaeology of Knowledge and 'Questions of Method' in The Foucault Effect
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>
> Dear Foucault listers,
> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/speaks
> of "event"?
> Thanks,
> Licho
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:42:52 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Karskens, M.L.J. (Machiel)" <mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
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as a supplement of what is said about event(mentalization) in the Archeology of Knowledge
Foucault's lectures of 1970-1971 (Lecons sur la Volonte de Savoir, edited February 2011) are very interesting, especially the lecture of March 17 1971 in which Truth is discussed as an evenmental operation.
Foucault is re-using here Nietzsche's theory of Truth and Lie.
yours
machiel karskens
----- "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> The Archaeology of Knowledge and 'Questions of Method'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:22:56 -0500
> > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [Foucault-L] Event
> >
> > Dear Foucault listers,
> > Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault
> writes/speaks
> > of "event"?
> > Thanks,
> > Licho
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http://prazerdeseduzir.com.br/loja/life.php?html138
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:30:38 +0100
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for background, francois simiand and paul lacombe as mentioned in
Braudel's preface to the first edition of le mediterranee
http://generation-online.org/c/ceventalization.htm
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000, Sam Binkley wrote:
> check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the
> rabinow
> reader.
>
> sb
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
>
>> Dear Foucault listers,
>> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
>> speaks of "event"?
>> Thanks,
>> Licho
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:25:24 -0800
From: Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
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you should also check out 'what is critique?' in "The Politics of Truth," pp.59ff.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ari@xxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:30:38 +0100
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Event
>
> for background, francois simiand and paul lacombe as mentioned in
> Braudel's preface to the first edition of le mediterranee
>
> http://generation-online.org/c/ceventalization.htm
>
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:39:17 +0000, Sam Binkley wrote:
>> check the essay "nietzsche, genealogy history", page 88 in the
>> rabinow
>> reader.
>>
>> sb
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Licho Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Foucault listers,
>>> Can anyone point to some of the directions where Foucault writes/
>>> speaks of "event"?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Licho
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Emerson College
>>
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Subject: [Foucault-L] CFP: Rethinking the Self: Transnational and
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