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Subject:Re: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
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Taking the context, it is imperative to use permeate, imbued or
infuse rather than traverse or go through, etc., since the question is
related to fields and networks of forces than are not "internalized"
but form fields and networks within which bodies flourish, function
and where non discursive practices are made possible. Anyone informed
by Spinoza and Deleuze would understand why a linear perspective fails
here. This is part of the "new" Nietzschean metaphysics of
multiplicity and indeterminacy that Foucault and Deleuze were engaged
in. Spare me the "individual choice" and "agency" references; self
transformation and self subjectivization are not the same as these old
metaphysical constructions.
Best,
Fouad
> From: princeptiffany@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:01:05 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
l'intérieur des corps
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you people for your rapid responses. However, some more
details could be useful, for a proper answer to my question.
> "Les rapports de pouvoir passent à l'intérieur des corps" is the
title of a 1977's interview, published in Dits et Ecrits, vol. III
(1976-1979), n°197. That's why I thought it was "famous". In this
interview, Foucault makes this wonderful assertion : "Ce que je
cherche, c'est à essayer de montrer comment les rapports de pouvoir
peuvent passer matériellement dans l'épaisseur même des corps sans
avoir à être relayés par la représentation des sujets. Si le
pouvoir atteint le corps, ce n'est pas parce qu'il a d'abord été
intériorisé dans la conscience des gens. Il y a un réseau de
bio-pouvoir, de somato-pouvoir qui est lui-même un réseau à partir
duquel naît la sexualité comme phénomène historique et culturel à
l'intérieur duquel à la fois nous nous reconnaissons et nous nous
perdons."
> For those who can't understand french, in this passage Foucault
reassert that what he calls "power" can literally and in actual fact
"pass through bodies" without being "internalized" by people ("in the
subject's representation"), functionning like he then calls a
"somato-power" (from the greek word somato = body).
> I thought this interview, or concept, had been translated, giving a
somehow "standard" formulation. I've been adviced "power relations run
through the interior of bodies", in the very depths of them. What do
you think ?
> I accept many more suggestions, but thanks again to the first ones
!
> Best,
> Tiffany P.
>
>
>
> > > From: princeptiffany@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:01:18 +0100
> > > Subject: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
l'intérieur des corps
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > How would you translate in English Foucault's famous phrase
"les rapports de pouvoir passent à l'intérieur des corps" ? I'm
french, and I'm having a hard time finding key-passages in "good
English".
> > > Thank you in advance,
> > > Tiffany P.
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Subject:Re: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
l'intérieur des corps
Taking the context, it is imperative to use permeate, imbued or
infuse rather than traverse or go through, etc., since the question is
related to fields and networks of forces than are not "internalized"
but form fields and networks within which bodies flourish, function
and where non discursive practices are made possible. Anyone informed
by Spinoza and Deleuze would understand why a linear perspective fails
here. This is part of the "new" Nietzschean metaphysics of
multiplicity and indeterminacy that Foucault and Deleuze were engaged
in. Spare me the "individual choice" and "agency" references; self
transformation and self subjectivization are not the same as these old
metaphysical constructions.
Best,
Fouad
> From: princeptiffany@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:01:05 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
l'intérieur des corps
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you people for your rapid responses. However, some more
details could be useful, for a proper answer to my question.
> "Les rapports de pouvoir passent à l'intérieur des corps" is the
title of a 1977's interview, published in Dits et Ecrits, vol. III
(1976-1979), n°197. That's why I thought it was "famous". In this
interview, Foucault makes this wonderful assertion : "Ce que je
cherche, c'est à essayer de montrer comment les rapports de pouvoir
peuvent passer matériellement dans l'épaisseur même des corps sans
avoir à être relayés par la représentation des sujets. Si le
pouvoir atteint le corps, ce n'est pas parce qu'il a d'abord été
intériorisé dans la conscience des gens. Il y a un réseau de
bio-pouvoir, de somato-pouvoir qui est lui-même un réseau à partir
duquel naît la sexualité comme phénomène historique et culturel à
l'intérieur duquel à la fois nous nous reconnaissons et nous nous
perdons."
> For those who can't understand french, in this passage Foucault
reassert that what he calls "power" can literally and in actual fact
"pass through bodies" without being "internalized" by people ("in the
subject's representation"), functionning like he then calls a
"somato-power" (from the greek word somato = body).
> I thought this interview, or concept, had been translated, giving a
somehow "standard" formulation. I've been adviced "power relations run
through the interior of bodies", in the very depths of them. What do
you think ?
> I accept many more suggestions, but thanks again to the first ones
!
> Best,
> Tiffany P.
>
>
>
> > > From: princeptiffany@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:01:18 +0100
> > > Subject: [Foucault-L] Les rapports de pouvoir passent à
l'intérieur des corps
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > How would you translate in English Foucault's famous phrase
"les rapports de pouvoir passent à l'intérieur des corps" ? I'm
french, and I'm having a hard time finding key-passages in "good
English".
> > > Thank you in advance,
> > > Tiffany P.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Foucault-L mailing list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Foucault-L mailing list
>
>
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