here is a link to the discussion: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/foucault-cult3.ram
the relevant part is about 30 min in...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>
> I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
> lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
> History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
> The quote reads:
>
> in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good means
> at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
> saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military discipline.
> A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
> control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable than
> the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
> technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find now
> means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
> way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an example:
> even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
> techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even in
> one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you could
> find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
> found in the world war armies.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>
>> I think Andre has right.
>>
>> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
>> is
>> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault (no
>> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
>>
>> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
>> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
>> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
>> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
>> différente de celle de discipline"
>>
>> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
>>
>> yours
>> Machiel Karskens
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
>>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
>>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
>>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
>>>> neutralizes its dangers.
>>>>
>>>> André Nunes Batista
>>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
>>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
>>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi to one and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
>>>>> like
>>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
>>>>> the
>>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
>>>>> certain
>>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
>>>>> example
>>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>>
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the relevant part is about 30 min in...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:26:16 -0800
> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>
> I have found the quote; it comes from the discussion following the
> lecture on the culture of the self that Foucault gave at Berkeley's
> History Department in 1983; which is perhaps why no one could find it.
> The quote reads:
>
> in the mid C19th (even in 1830) people saw that this was not a good means
> at all to have docile workers, and that a system like the insurance
> saving banks etc. was much more efficient than this military discipline.
> A new kind of organisation developed at this moment: the insurance
> control system which is much more efficient and much more acceptable than
> the disciplinary system. In the disciplinary system which is a type of
> technique, a technology very specific to a certain age, you can find now
> means much more sophisticated to obtain that people behave in a certain
> way. The disciplinary system is not efficient. I'll give you an example:
> even in the army, which has always been the focus of disciplinary
> techniques, even now disciplinary techniques have changed a lot. Even in
> one of the most efficient armies in the world, the Israeli one, you could
> find disciplinary techniques but very little in comparison to what was
> found in the world war armies.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mkarskens@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:37:01 +0200 (CEST)
>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>
>> I think Andre has right.
>>
>> The best approximation of your quote that I could find in an interview
>> is
>> in Dits et Ecrits IV p. 662 = no 349 = Interview de Michel Foucault (no
>> English translation mentioned in Lynch's bibliography):
>>
>> "Il est evident que la discipline n'est pas la seule technique de
>> controle des individus, mais que la facon par exemple dont on crée
>> actuellement la perspective de la sécurité de l'existence facilte la
>> direction des individus, bien que ce soit selon une méthode totalement
>> différente de celle de discipline"
>>
>> The Israel army is not discussed at all in that interview
>>
>> yours
>> Machiel Karskens
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kevin Turner" <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Mailing-list" <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:26:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>> He was talking about modalities of power as they are exercised
>>> today--that is, the today of the day he did the interview.
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: andrenbatista@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:21:57 -0300
>>>> To: foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] quote
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall anything on such terms, but on his 1977-8 course
>>>> entitled "Security, Territory, Population" he talks about "security"
>>>> as a "dispositif" complementary to the disciplinary power that
>>>> neutralizes its dangers.
>>>>
>>>> André Nunes Batista
>>>> Blog: http://tagesuhu.wordpress.com/
>>>> PGP Public Key: 0x7b0590cb6722cf80
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Kevin Turner
>>>> <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi to one and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a quote from Foucault in which he said something
>>>>> like
>>>>> "contemporary forms of power are much more effective/efficient than
>>>>> the
>>>>> disciplinary modality of power." And although I'm not entirely
>>>>> certain
>>>>> about this, I think he talked about the Israeli army as being an
>>>>> example
>>>>> of this effectiveness/efficiency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know where I might find this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
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