Dear Christine,
a.) it was not my "opinion" to write "that the analysis of statements wants
to be free of
such themes". This sentence is a paraphrase of the discussed passages in AK.
Directly after mentioning the "trace", Foucault writes this sentence: The
analysis of statements tries to be f r e e of this theme. (my translation
of the german: Die Aussageanalyse versucht, sich von diesem Thema zu b e f
r e i e n.)
b.) do you really think that it is incorrect to say, that Foucault or the
analysis of statements wants to be b e y o n d the human sciences like
Nietzsche wants to be B e y o n d Good and Evil?
Alessandro
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von
Christine E. Alfery
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2000 15:13
An: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: AW: Archaeology of Knowledge, The trace
Dear Loren,
Is Foucault really trying to move 'beyond' (which reads transcendent to me
- by perhaps I am off in my reading here) a histroco-transcendental theme -
and for that matter is he trying to 'free' from anything -or his he merely
questioning the singluar notion (transcendent- historical) of trace, read,
decipher, and rememberance?
c
At 06:11 AM 10/17/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear Loren,
>
>I think that the sentences you quoted are in regard to the context very
>clear, because Foucault wants to be beyond every kind of
>historico-transcendental theme. Consequently it is written a few sentences
>under your quotation, that the analysis of statements wants to be free of
>such themes, which also means to be beyond any kind of human sciences. (in
>this context: sociology, psychology, evolution of mentalities, look above!)
>Two pages later he writes about the 4 links:
>reading-trace-deciphering-remembrance, and they are definitively not
>connected to the analysis of statements. In general the whole passage in
>this chapter is dedicated to precise the aspects of analysis of statements.
>But now I understand very well, why you read this passages in connection to
>Derrida. Two sides before you quoted it is written: "There is no text
>below." The french original: "Il n'ya pas de texte d'en dessous." Sounds
>like Derrida, isn't it?
>
>Alessandro
>
>-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Loren
>Dent
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2000 02:45
>An: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Betreff: Re: Archaeology of Knowledge, The trace
>
>
>Well, i found the sentence i was looking for...on pg 121... "it ['this
>other history'] can be purified in the problematic of the trace, which,
>prior to all speech, is the opening of inscription, the gap of deferred
>time, it is always the historico-transcendental theme that is reinvested".
>
>unfortunately, i'm having difficulty understanding the context surrounding
>this statement.. if he's summarizing a line of thought that he wishes to
>move beyond, or placing his analyses of the statement within this
>thought. help?
>
>loren
>
>
>At 08:24 PM 10/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>hi loren,
>>
>>try pages 104 and 105 of AK. -- dan smith
>>
>>At 06:39 PM 10/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >there is a place in AK foucault specifically mentions the trace (in the
>> >derridian sense; or--probably in the derridian sense).. I've looked all
>> >over for it, because i've seen it before when referenced in a secondary
>> >source.. does anyone know where that might be? (arguably the entirety of
>> >the book is a critique of the trace, but i'm looking for an explicit
>> mention)
>> >
>> >loren
>> >
>
a.) it was not my "opinion" to write "that the analysis of statements wants
to be free of
such themes". This sentence is a paraphrase of the discussed passages in AK.
Directly after mentioning the "trace", Foucault writes this sentence: The
analysis of statements tries to be f r e e of this theme. (my translation
of the german: Die Aussageanalyse versucht, sich von diesem Thema zu b e f
r e i e n.)
b.) do you really think that it is incorrect to say, that Foucault or the
analysis of statements wants to be b e y o n d the human sciences like
Nietzsche wants to be B e y o n d Good and Evil?
Alessandro
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von
Christine E. Alfery
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2000 15:13
An: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: AW: Archaeology of Knowledge, The trace
Dear Loren,
Is Foucault really trying to move 'beyond' (which reads transcendent to me
- by perhaps I am off in my reading here) a histroco-transcendental theme -
and for that matter is he trying to 'free' from anything -or his he merely
questioning the singluar notion (transcendent- historical) of trace, read,
decipher, and rememberance?
c
At 06:11 AM 10/17/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear Loren,
>
>I think that the sentences you quoted are in regard to the context very
>clear, because Foucault wants to be beyond every kind of
>historico-transcendental theme. Consequently it is written a few sentences
>under your quotation, that the analysis of statements wants to be free of
>such themes, which also means to be beyond any kind of human sciences. (in
>this context: sociology, psychology, evolution of mentalities, look above!)
>Two pages later he writes about the 4 links:
>reading-trace-deciphering-remembrance, and they are definitively not
>connected to the analysis of statements. In general the whole passage in
>this chapter is dedicated to precise the aspects of analysis of statements.
>But now I understand very well, why you read this passages in connection to
>Derrida. Two sides before you quoted it is written: "There is no text
>below." The french original: "Il n'ya pas de texte d'en dessous." Sounds
>like Derrida, isn't it?
>
>Alessandro
>
>-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:owner-foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Loren
>Dent
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2000 02:45
>An: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Betreff: Re: Archaeology of Knowledge, The trace
>
>
>Well, i found the sentence i was looking for...on pg 121... "it ['this
>other history'] can be purified in the problematic of the trace, which,
>prior to all speech, is the opening of inscription, the gap of deferred
>time, it is always the historico-transcendental theme that is reinvested".
>
>unfortunately, i'm having difficulty understanding the context surrounding
>this statement.. if he's summarizing a line of thought that he wishes to
>move beyond, or placing his analyses of the statement within this
>thought. help?
>
>loren
>
>
>At 08:24 PM 10/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>hi loren,
>>
>>try pages 104 and 105 of AK. -- dan smith
>>
>>At 06:39 PM 10/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >there is a place in AK foucault specifically mentions the trace (in the
>> >derridian sense; or--probably in the derridian sense).. I've looked all
>> >over for it, because i've seen it before when referenced in a secondary
>> >source.. does anyone know where that might be? (arguably the entirety of
>> >the book is a critique of the trace, but i'm looking for an explicit
>> mention)
>> >
>> >loren
>> >
>