Interesting you raise Bakhtin Erik.
An independent researcher, who I have spoken with also suggested Bakhtin and
Bakhtin is connected with Vygotsky as influences of Positioning Theory.
This is what I am thinking. That dossiers, gaze, governmentality and other
of Foucault's ideas are connected with Positioning Theory. These all can
help to explain how senior managers deliberate regarding sustainability
issues.
It is all a bit clunky right now, but I can see a pattern forming.
Thanks
Lionel
>From: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: A twist to dossier and gaze
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:19:55 +0200
>
>Of course: look at hte cotext as Kristeva would say. Stuart suggestion
>makes me think of Bakhtin. He makes a difference between monological and
>dialogical texts. I suppose that any text which is preoccupied with the
>conclusion has strong monological tendencies, because it's not
>powerfree, as Habermas would say. Another interesting thing Bakhtin
>says is that every text has several voices, every voice has its interest
>and perspective. In this text there's teh voice of Foucualt, Habermas,
>Bakhtin (explicitely), but also of many other texts (implicitely). They
>show themself in the way i write. In ironic texts there's a real
>discussion of antagonistic voices. Maybe the power of the dossier has
>comething ot do with cotext, but also with the voices in it. I can
>imagine that sometimes voices of very powerfull or unquestioned nature
>can speak along.
>
>erik
>
>Stuart Elden wrote:
>
>>Lionel
>>
>>I wonder if it may be more productive to think of these dossiers, not _as_
>>archives, but as part of archives. In other words, how are they bound up
>>within a system of law, corporate behaviour, precedent, accountability,
>>business-speak, etc. etc. It would seem to be interesting to look at how
>>closely the way of writing in these reports across different companies and
>>events could be seen as part of a whole. Of course, an individual dossier
>>might be part of the transformation of the wider archive, in this sense.
>>
>>It seems to think of an individual dossier as an archive is somewhat
>>narrow
>>as a way of understanding and utilising Foucault's work. In this sense
>>these
>>dossiers would be more akin to statements - see the use of the term 'nonc'
>>[statement] in AK.
>>
>>I don't doubt that companies write a report in order to try to impose
>>their
>>version of events. I guess I would have some scepticism as to how much
>>they
>>have freedom to write it as they wish, and to create their own law. I
>>suspect that they are operating to an extent within a wider context over
>>which they have limited control.
>>
>>Just some quick thoughts - hope they are some help.
>>
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>
>
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An independent researcher, who I have spoken with also suggested Bakhtin and
Bakhtin is connected with Vygotsky as influences of Positioning Theory.
This is what I am thinking. That dossiers, gaze, governmentality and other
of Foucault's ideas are connected with Positioning Theory. These all can
help to explain how senior managers deliberate regarding sustainability
issues.
It is all a bit clunky right now, but I can see a pattern forming.
Thanks
Lionel
>From: Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: A twist to dossier and gaze
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:19:55 +0200
>
>Of course: look at hte cotext as Kristeva would say. Stuart suggestion
>makes me think of Bakhtin. He makes a difference between monological and
>dialogical texts. I suppose that any text which is preoccupied with the
>conclusion has strong monological tendencies, because it's not
>powerfree, as Habermas would say. Another interesting thing Bakhtin
>says is that every text has several voices, every voice has its interest
>and perspective. In this text there's teh voice of Foucualt, Habermas,
>Bakhtin (explicitely), but also of many other texts (implicitely). They
>show themself in the way i write. In ironic texts there's a real
>discussion of antagonistic voices. Maybe the power of the dossier has
>comething ot do with cotext, but also with the voices in it. I can
>imagine that sometimes voices of very powerfull or unquestioned nature
>can speak along.
>
>erik
>
>Stuart Elden wrote:
>
>>Lionel
>>
>>I wonder if it may be more productive to think of these dossiers, not _as_
>>archives, but as part of archives. In other words, how are they bound up
>>within a system of law, corporate behaviour, precedent, accountability,
>>business-speak, etc. etc. It would seem to be interesting to look at how
>>closely the way of writing in these reports across different companies and
>>events could be seen as part of a whole. Of course, an individual dossier
>>might be part of the transformation of the wider archive, in this sense.
>>
>>It seems to think of an individual dossier as an archive is somewhat
>>narrow
>>as a way of understanding and utilising Foucault's work. In this sense
>>these
>>dossiers would be more akin to statements - see the use of the term 'nonc'
>>[statement] in AK.
>>
>>I don't doubt that companies write a report in order to try to impose
>>their
>>version of events. I guess I would have some scepticism as to how much
>>they
>>have freedom to write it as they wish, and to create their own law. I
>>suspect that they are operating to an extent within a wider context over
>>which they have limited control.
>>
>>Just some quick thoughts - hope they are some help.
>>
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>
>
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