Your formulations are precise, but what you make is a
ascertion:"institutional 'forms' are embedded in
(historical) systems of knowledge and power?". An
ascertion is not negative attitude towards what it
ascerts. What Foucault makes is such ascertions, that
is what i meant by "mere historical description". I
guess You dont whant to say to the man, who posed his
qouestion, that Foucault has negative attitude towards
the shelters for homeless? He meant a complex of
historical research, followed by generalizations(in
this formule im not too sure). But what realy was
that, what F. made? Was it archeological/genealogical
research, or both research with generalizations? That
is a problem to me : How we should work with F.
writings? Should we search for generaliztions of the
historical material, or somethinelse, which i cant
figure out it is?
Jivko
- that it is one and
> >
> would it be incorrect to say that the 'negativity'
> inherent to Foucault's geneological project derives
> from the process of historicizing and
> de-mythologicizing social institutions?
>
> Would one be far off the mark in interpreting this
> process as a way of de-essentializing the object/s
> of enquiry in such a way as to show that
> institutional 'forms' are embedded in (historical)
> systems of knowledge and power? - that it is one and
> the same force which leads to the generation of
> languages of expression (discourse) and, on the
> other hand, determines systems of monitoring and
> control? - that institutions are invested with
> interests of both liberation and repression?
>
> Wouldn't describing Foucault's geneological project
> simply as 'an investigation of the history of a
> practice' or 'a mere historical description of
> practices' go directly against the thrust of his
> project: ie to show that what portrays itself as
> 'innocent' curiosity is another form of
> power-as-monitoring, that knowledge cannot be
> separated from the subject who attains it, that the
> perspective one has the privilege to gaze from is
> intrinsically linked to the privilages appropriated
> by the gaze?
>
> Wouldn't one be assimilating Foucault with all those
> and all that from which he wanted to distance
> himself, if one were to neutralise his 'negativity',
> or pessimism, by calling his analyses 'objective
> historical investigations/descriptions'?
>
>
> caldon
>
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ascertion:"institutional 'forms' are embedded in
(historical) systems of knowledge and power?". An
ascertion is not negative attitude towards what it
ascerts. What Foucault makes is such ascertions, that
is what i meant by "mere historical description". I
guess You dont whant to say to the man, who posed his
qouestion, that Foucault has negative attitude towards
the shelters for homeless? He meant a complex of
historical research, followed by generalizations(in
this formule im not too sure). But what realy was
that, what F. made? Was it archeological/genealogical
research, or both research with generalizations? That
is a problem to me : How we should work with F.
writings? Should we search for generaliztions of the
historical material, or somethinelse, which i cant
figure out it is?
Jivko
- that it is one and
> >
> would it be incorrect to say that the 'negativity'
> inherent to Foucault's geneological project derives
> from the process of historicizing and
> de-mythologicizing social institutions?
>
> Would one be far off the mark in interpreting this
> process as a way of de-essentializing the object/s
> of enquiry in such a way as to show that
> institutional 'forms' are embedded in (historical)
> systems of knowledge and power? - that it is one and
> the same force which leads to the generation of
> languages of expression (discourse) and, on the
> other hand, determines systems of monitoring and
> control? - that institutions are invested with
> interests of both liberation and repression?
>
> Wouldn't describing Foucault's geneological project
> simply as 'an investigation of the history of a
> practice' or 'a mere historical description of
> practices' go directly against the thrust of his
> project: ie to show that what portrays itself as
> 'innocent' curiosity is another form of
> power-as-monitoring, that knowledge cannot be
> separated from the subject who attains it, that the
> perspective one has the privilege to gaze from is
> intrinsically linked to the privilages appropriated
> by the gaze?
>
> Wouldn't one be assimilating Foucault with all those
> and all that from which he wanted to distance
> himself, if one were to neutralise his 'negativity',
> or pessimism, by calling his analyses 'objective
> historical investigations/descriptions'?
>
>
> caldon
>
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