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It would be interesting to compare some of your observations and remarks and juxtapose them with Jean Genet's thoughts in his last book Prisoner of Love.
To be pro German was not necessarily to support the Shoah. But the legitimacy of Israel cannot be questioned. In spite of all. Its present errors and wayward ways. Israel's crimes are deep, serious and wicked, but to compare them to Nazi Germany is not even conceivable; and simply to see things as they are compare the crimes of Syria and Iraq against its own people and one realizes that the charge that Israel is like the Nazi state is a stupidity not worthy of its weight in words. What Israel does and has done to the Palestinians is evil, but to see what Haffez Al Assad did to the Hamas rebellions in one week is to put the crimes of Israel in perspective. The Arab states, like it or not are police states and for the most part totalitarian and Israel with its flaws failiures and dangers is not a fascist totalitarian police state. And nor can I imagine it ever being one. .... such a complicated issue of race, religion and nations.
villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: the Mufti wasn't the only one to support Hitler:
Hitler was praised for 'his unification of the Germans, his destruction of Communism, his training of the young, his creation of a Spartan State animated by patriotism, his curbing of parliamentary government, so unsuited to the German character, his protection of the right of private property.' The author of this: Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebells, Hermann Goering? No - James W. Gerard, 'Hitler as he explains himself,' in The New York Times Book Review (15 October 1933). The book being reviewed was Mein Kampf, my source is N Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry, pp ix.
So, looks like Adolf was getting on with the good work, until, what happened? The truth is that the Allies couldn't have cared less about what Hitler was doing to the Jews, the Gypsies, the mentally ill, the Socialists, the Communists, Gays and every other group he persecuted, so long as he was getting on with the good work of screwing the German working classes and protecting the interests of the rich. It was only when he began to threaten their interests by attacking Britain and France by way of their buffer in the East, Poland, that they cared a damn enough to declare war. The USA didn't enter the war until it was attacked at Pearl Harbour, failing totally to throw up its arms in moral outrage when countries it had a great deal in common with were threatened with annihilation. Hitler had been doing virtually anything he wanted in Germany and he or his heirs would be doing that today had he not threatened the interests of the Allies. Hitler could have been stopped even earlier, had Britain supported the Republic in Spain, by arming it, and the Republic could have saved itself by arming the workers in the big cities in the very earliest stages of the war, but feared to do so, because the ruling classes within the Republic correctly believed that once the fascists were dealt with that the guns would be turned on the bosses and the fatcats and the workers would make their own revolution, a Spain for the people, by the people and of the people. This was a terrifying prospect, terrifying to those who hate the idea of (in George Orwell's words) 'a world of free and equal human beings' (Homage to Catalonia),
PM
> from: villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:50:16
> to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> subject: Re: Defining Islamism
>
> The rest is silence....
>
> > from: Scribe1865@xxxxxxx
> > date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:13:02
> > to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > subject: Re: Defining Islamism
> >
> > In a message dated 6-26-2002 5:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >
> >
> > > In my opinion, the war in Afghanistan was an act of revenge inflicted by an
> > > evil and corrupt state for the purpose of genocide and unimaginable
> > > suffering, further to extend that country's Imperialist domination as a
> > > result of a terrorist attack whose source is unclear, although certainly
> > > Arabic.
> >
> > Ah come on Paul, not again! Instead of trying to make events conform to your
> > ideas, you should try it the other way around.
> >
> > Eric
> > NYC
>
>
>
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<P> It would be interesting to compare some of your observations and remarks and juxtapose them with Jean Genet's thoughts in his last book Prisoner of Love.
<P>To be pro German was not necessarily to support the Shoah. But the legitimacy of Israel cannot be questioned. In spite of all. Its present errors and wayward ways. Israel's crimes are deep, serious and wicked, but to compare them to Nazi Germany is not even conceivable; and simply to see things as they are compare the crimes of Syria and Iraq against its own people and one realizes that the charge that Israel is like the Nazi state is a stupidity not worthy of its weight in words. What Israel does and has done to the Palestinians is evil, but to see what Haffez Al Assad did to the Hamas rebellions in one week is to put the crimes of Israel in perspective. The Arab states, like it or not are police states and for the most part totalitarian and Israel with its flaws failiures and dangers is not a fascist totalitarian police state. And nor can I imagine it ever being one. .... such a complicated issue of race, religion and nations.
<P> <B><I>villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">the Mufti wasn't the only one to support Hitler:<BR><BR>Hitler was praised for 'his unification of the Germans, his destruction of Communism, his training of the young, his creation of a Spartan State animated by patriotism, his curbing of parliamentary government, so unsuited to the German character, his protection of the right of private property.' The author of this: Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebells, Hermann Goering? No - James W. Gerard, 'Hitler as he explains himself,' in The New York Times Book Review (15 October 1933). The book being reviewed was Mein Kampf, my source is N Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry, pp ix.<BR><BR>So, looks like Adolf was getting on with the good work, until, what happened? The truth is that the Allies couldn't have cared less about what Hitler was doing to the Jews, the Gypsies, the mentally ill, the Socialists, the Communists, Gays and every other group he persecuted, so long as he was getting on with the good work of screwing the German working classes and protecting the interests of the rich. It was only when he began to threaten their interests by attacking Britain and France by way of their buffer in the East, Poland, that they cared a damn enough to declare war. The USA didn't enter the war until it was attacked at Pearl Harbour, failing totally to throw up its arms in moral outrage when countries it had a great deal in common with were threatened with annihilation. Hitler had been doing virtually anything he wanted in Germany and he or his heirs would be doing that today had he not threatened the interests of the Allies. Hitler could have been stopped even earlier, had Britain supported the Republic in Spain, by arming it, and the Republic could have saved itself by arming the workers in the big cities in the very earliest stages of the war, but feared to do so, because the ruling classes within the Republic correctly believed that once the fascists were dealt with that the guns would be turned on the bosses and the fatcats and the workers would make their own revolution, a Spain for the people, by the people and of the people. This was a terrifying prospect, terrifying to those who hate the idea of (in George Orwell's words) 'a world of free and equal human beings' (Homage to Catalonia),<BR>PM<BR><BR>> from: villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:50:16<BR>> to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> subject: Re: Defining Islamism<BR>> <BR>> The rest is silence....<BR>> <BR>> > from: Scribe1865@xxxxxxx<BR>> > date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:13:02<BR>> > to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> > subject: Re: Defining Islamism<BR>> > <BR>> > In a message dated 6-26-2002 5:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>> > villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > In my opinion, the war in Afghanistan was an act of revenge inflicted by an <BR>> > > evil and corrupt state for the purpose of genocide and unimaginable <BR>> > > suffering, further to extend that country's Imperialist domination as a <BR>> > > result of a terrorist attack whose source is unclear, although certainly <BR>> > > Arabic. <BR>> > <BR>> > Ah come on Paul, not again! Instead of trying to make events conform to your <BR>> > ideas, you should try it the other way around. <BR>> > <BR>> > Eric<BR>> > NYC<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- from list nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---<BR>> <BR><BR><BR><BR>--- from list nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr size=1><img src="http://in.yimg.com/i/in/new2.gif"; width=28 height=11 alt="new">
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It would be interesting to compare some of your observations and remarks and juxtapose them with Jean Genet's thoughts in his last book Prisoner of Love.
To be pro German was not necessarily to support the Shoah. But the legitimacy of Israel cannot be questioned. In spite of all. Its present errors and wayward ways. Israel's crimes are deep, serious and wicked, but to compare them to Nazi Germany is not even conceivable; and simply to see things as they are compare the crimes of Syria and Iraq against its own people and one realizes that the charge that Israel is like the Nazi state is a stupidity not worthy of its weight in words. What Israel does and has done to the Palestinians is evil, but to see what Haffez Al Assad did to the Hamas rebellions in one week is to put the crimes of Israel in perspective. The Arab states, like it or not are police states and for the most part totalitarian and Israel with its flaws failiures and dangers is not a fascist totalitarian police state. And nor can I imagine it ever being one. .... such a complicated issue of race, religion and nations.
villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: the Mufti wasn't the only one to support Hitler:
Hitler was praised for 'his unification of the Germans, his destruction of Communism, his training of the young, his creation of a Spartan State animated by patriotism, his curbing of parliamentary government, so unsuited to the German character, his protection of the right of private property.' The author of this: Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebells, Hermann Goering? No - James W. Gerard, 'Hitler as he explains himself,' in The New York Times Book Review (15 October 1933). The book being reviewed was Mein Kampf, my source is N Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry, pp ix.
So, looks like Adolf was getting on with the good work, until, what happened? The truth is that the Allies couldn't have cared less about what Hitler was doing to the Jews, the Gypsies, the mentally ill, the Socialists, the Communists, Gays and every other group he persecuted, so long as he was getting on with the good work of screwing the German working classes and protecting the interests of the rich. It was only when he began to threaten their interests by attacking Britain and France by way of their buffer in the East, Poland, that they cared a damn enough to declare war. The USA didn't enter the war until it was attacked at Pearl Harbour, failing totally to throw up its arms in moral outrage when countries it had a great deal in common with were threatened with annihilation. Hitler had been doing virtually anything he wanted in Germany and he or his heirs would be doing that today had he not threatened the interests of the Allies. Hitler could have been stopped even earlier, had Britain supported the Republic in Spain, by arming it, and the Republic could have saved itself by arming the workers in the big cities in the very earliest stages of the war, but feared to do so, because the ruling classes within the Republic correctly believed that once the fascists were dealt with that the guns would be turned on the bosses and the fatcats and the workers would make their own revolution, a Spain for the people, by the people and of the people. This was a terrifying prospect, terrifying to those who hate the idea of (in George Orwell's words) 'a world of free and equal human beings' (Homage to Catalonia),
PM
> from: villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:50:16
> to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> subject: Re: Defining Islamism
>
> The rest is silence....
>
> > from: Scribe1865@xxxxxxx
> > date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:13:02
> > to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > subject: Re: Defining Islamism
> >
> > In a message dated 6-26-2002 5:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >
> >
> > > In my opinion, the war in Afghanistan was an act of revenge inflicted by an
> > > evil and corrupt state for the purpose of genocide and unimaginable
> > > suffering, further to extend that country's Imperialist domination as a
> > > result of a terrorist attack whose source is unclear, although certainly
> > > Arabic.
> >
> > Ah come on Paul, not again! Instead of trying to make events conform to your
> > ideas, you should try it the other way around.
> >
> > Eric
> > NYC
>
>
>
> --- from list nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---
>
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<P> It would be interesting to compare some of your observations and remarks and juxtapose them with Jean Genet's thoughts in his last book Prisoner of Love.
<P>To be pro German was not necessarily to support the Shoah. But the legitimacy of Israel cannot be questioned. In spite of all. Its present errors and wayward ways. Israel's crimes are deep, serious and wicked, but to compare them to Nazi Germany is not even conceivable; and simply to see things as they are compare the crimes of Syria and Iraq against its own people and one realizes that the charge that Israel is like the Nazi state is a stupidity not worthy of its weight in words. What Israel does and has done to the Palestinians is evil, but to see what Haffez Al Assad did to the Hamas rebellions in one week is to put the crimes of Israel in perspective. The Arab states, like it or not are police states and for the most part totalitarian and Israel with its flaws failiures and dangers is not a fascist totalitarian police state. And nor can I imagine it ever being one. .... such a complicated issue of race, religion and nations.
<P> <B><I>villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">the Mufti wasn't the only one to support Hitler:<BR><BR>Hitler was praised for 'his unification of the Germans, his destruction of Communism, his training of the young, his creation of a Spartan State animated by patriotism, his curbing of parliamentary government, so unsuited to the German character, his protection of the right of private property.' The author of this: Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebells, Hermann Goering? No - James W. Gerard, 'Hitler as he explains himself,' in The New York Times Book Review (15 October 1933). The book being reviewed was Mein Kampf, my source is N Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry, pp ix.<BR><BR>So, looks like Adolf was getting on with the good work, until, what happened? The truth is that the Allies couldn't have cared less about what Hitler was doing to the Jews, the Gypsies, the mentally ill, the Socialists, the Communists, Gays and every other group he persecuted, so long as he was getting on with the good work of screwing the German working classes and protecting the interests of the rich. It was only when he began to threaten their interests by attacking Britain and France by way of their buffer in the East, Poland, that they cared a damn enough to declare war. The USA didn't enter the war until it was attacked at Pearl Harbour, failing totally to throw up its arms in moral outrage when countries it had a great deal in common with were threatened with annihilation. Hitler had been doing virtually anything he wanted in Germany and he or his heirs would be doing that today had he not threatened the interests of the Allies. Hitler could have been stopped even earlier, had Britain supported the Republic in Spain, by arming it, and the Republic could have saved itself by arming the workers in the big cities in the very earliest stages of the war, but feared to do so, because the ruling classes within the Republic correctly believed that once the fascists were dealt with that the guns would be turned on the bosses and the fatcats and the workers would make their own revolution, a Spain for the people, by the people and of the people. This was a terrifying prospect, terrifying to those who hate the idea of (in George Orwell's words) 'a world of free and equal human beings' (Homage to Catalonia),<BR>PM<BR><BR>> from: villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:50:16<BR>> to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> subject: Re: Defining Islamism<BR>> <BR>> The rest is silence....<BR>> <BR>> > from: Scribe1865@xxxxxxx<BR>> > date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:13:02<BR>> > to: nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>> > subject: Re: Defining Islamism<BR>> > <BR>> > In a message dated 6-26-2002 5:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>> > villanova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > In my opinion, the war in Afghanistan was an act of revenge inflicted by an <BR>> > > evil and corrupt state for the purpose of genocide and unimaginable <BR>> > > suffering, further to extend that country's Imperialist domination as a <BR>> > > result of a terrorist attack whose source is unclear, although certainly <BR>> > > Arabic. <BR>> > <BR>> > Ah come on Paul, not again! Instead of trying to make events conform to your <BR>> > ideas, you should try it the other way around. <BR>> > <BR>> > Eric<BR>> > NYC<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- from list nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---<BR>> <BR><BR><BR><BR>--- from list nietzsche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr size=1><img src="http://in.yimg.com/i/in/new2.gif"; width=28 height=11 alt="new">
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