Thanks for your reply Lionel. I need more time to process it, but i just
wanted to clarify that Chris Weedon in that extract was speaking
specifically about 'pornography and much advertising' which offer
'models of femininity in which a particular version of female sexuality
is paramount. It is a form of femininity in which women direct themselvs
totally to the satisfaction of the male gaze, male fantasies and male
desires...'
I took that to mean a much more ordinary sense of 'gaze' than the way
Foucault uses it, but others may correct me.
Jill
Lionel Boxer wrote:
>> From: Jill Molan <Jill.Molan@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:14:59 +1000
>> I'm still quite confused about what Lionel meant by 'drug gaze' - 'the
>> gaze of the underground drug traficing profession' (as per Lionel's
>> original post) - and it's been challenged a couple of times without
>> clarification - can you elaborate on what you mean by it Lionel? How
>> does this use of the term 'gaze' correspond with Foucault's use of it?
>
>
> My impression of what Foucault's gaze means is that it represents the
> capability of some sort of human group (profession or some other
> collection of people) to influence power over the wider community.
> Where Foucault identified medical gaze and then judicial gaze, I have
> noticed that feminists have extended that idea to male gaze. Chris
> Weedon (1987, p. 23) is a Feminist who suggests that paternalistic
> society has supressed feminine aspects of humanity through something
> that could be described as a Foucauldian gaze. While I acknowledge
> that the Feminist movement has largely drawn of Foucualt with at best
> a veneer of academic integrity, the concept does provide a seed for
> more serious academic exploration. In my thesis I suggest that
> management excudes some sort of Foucauldian gaze that is responsible
> for the complacency that impedes some organisations appropriately
> dealing with sustainability. I have developed this idea with some
> analogies drawn from electromagnetic theory to show that cultures
> produce residue that leaders need to deal with before they can change
> directions.
>
> Relating more specifically to my drug gaze postings:
>
> My impression is that the drug enthusiast community (in an earlier
> posting I flipantly referred to this as 'the drug traficing
> profession') does indeed excude some sort of "cheech and chong"
> enthusiastic and captivating ritual that draws people into
> participating in a look-at-me-I-can-do-it-too-fun-club where they
> consume, deal and create drugs. There is some sort of aura about that
> sucks people in. I have felt it when I lived in a northern Melbourne
> suburb 15 years ago, and I felt it when I lived in the mountains
> outside Melbourne 14 years ago, and I felt it when I lived in
> inner-suburban Melbourne 13 years ago, and I have seen it in corporate
> Melbourne. I saw it on a less-all-encompassing scale in
> Toronto-the-good where I grew up.
>
> About five years ago there were major stories in Melbourne newspapers
> about executives who were involved in drug consumption in a rather
> serious way. These poeple had families, big houses and children
> enrolled in expensive schools. They had been found out to have
> stuffed up businesses. One CEO drove a potentially highly successful
> business into the ground and then somehow staggered off a cliff while
> he was walking his daughter along the top of the cliff (I happened to
> attend the funeral through some a series of interconnected
> friendships). His friends said he lost his balance and the investment
> community said he jumped. I met the fellow once and cannot really
> make a judgement. My impression was that he was a lovely person who
> had been led astray down several gutters of resistance quite
> unecessarily - a tragedy that he amounted to such a useless sum at the
> end of his life.
>
> Something leads people to explore gutters of stupid behaviour (drugs,
> gambling, etc). I suggest that what does this can be explained in
> terms of a Foucauldian gaze. I do not think most of the people who do
> drugs really need to or benefit from it in any way apart from
> satisfying the drug gaze that is everywhere about them.
>
> I am not afraid of drugs or other pursuits that people engage in that
> are different to what I prefer to involve myself in. I have lived
> amongst people sucking on bongs and sticking needles in their arms;
> others I am close to are enthusiastic and committed gamblers who drain
> their disposable income in the most foolish of ways. My neighbours
> are quite open about sucking on joints or dubbies, sucking on each
> other's dicks, and fucking one another up the ass; I always have a
> sincere and friendly chat with them when we meet and we sometimes
> drink wine and eat together. I have my own blemished past and I am
> far from being a prude or wowser, but I do have a personal bias as you
> might have noticed.
>
> Lionel Boxer - 0411267256 - lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Attend MAAOE 03 --- Melbourne --- 20-22 Oct 03
> http://www.intergon.net/maaoe
> ----------------------------------------------
> In 1976 Michale Foucualt said: ... terrorism ... has a totally
> opposite effect which is to make the bourgeois class even more closely
> attached to its ideology ... (original in French) 'Le Savoir Comme Crime'
> ----------------------------------------------
>
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wanted to clarify that Chris Weedon in that extract was speaking
specifically about 'pornography and much advertising' which offer
'models of femininity in which a particular version of female sexuality
is paramount. It is a form of femininity in which women direct themselvs
totally to the satisfaction of the male gaze, male fantasies and male
desires...'
I took that to mean a much more ordinary sense of 'gaze' than the way
Foucault uses it, but others may correct me.
Jill
Lionel Boxer wrote:
>> From: Jill Molan <Jill.Molan@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:14:59 +1000
>> I'm still quite confused about what Lionel meant by 'drug gaze' - 'the
>> gaze of the underground drug traficing profession' (as per Lionel's
>> original post) - and it's been challenged a couple of times without
>> clarification - can you elaborate on what you mean by it Lionel? How
>> does this use of the term 'gaze' correspond with Foucault's use of it?
>
>
> My impression of what Foucault's gaze means is that it represents the
> capability of some sort of human group (profession or some other
> collection of people) to influence power over the wider community.
> Where Foucault identified medical gaze and then judicial gaze, I have
> noticed that feminists have extended that idea to male gaze. Chris
> Weedon (1987, p. 23) is a Feminist who suggests that paternalistic
> society has supressed feminine aspects of humanity through something
> that could be described as a Foucauldian gaze. While I acknowledge
> that the Feminist movement has largely drawn of Foucualt with at best
> a veneer of academic integrity, the concept does provide a seed for
> more serious academic exploration. In my thesis I suggest that
> management excudes some sort of Foucauldian gaze that is responsible
> for the complacency that impedes some organisations appropriately
> dealing with sustainability. I have developed this idea with some
> analogies drawn from electromagnetic theory to show that cultures
> produce residue that leaders need to deal with before they can change
> directions.
>
> Relating more specifically to my drug gaze postings:
>
> My impression is that the drug enthusiast community (in an earlier
> posting I flipantly referred to this as 'the drug traficing
> profession') does indeed excude some sort of "cheech and chong"
> enthusiastic and captivating ritual that draws people into
> participating in a look-at-me-I-can-do-it-too-fun-club where they
> consume, deal and create drugs. There is some sort of aura about that
> sucks people in. I have felt it when I lived in a northern Melbourne
> suburb 15 years ago, and I felt it when I lived in the mountains
> outside Melbourne 14 years ago, and I felt it when I lived in
> inner-suburban Melbourne 13 years ago, and I have seen it in corporate
> Melbourne. I saw it on a less-all-encompassing scale in
> Toronto-the-good where I grew up.
>
> About five years ago there were major stories in Melbourne newspapers
> about executives who were involved in drug consumption in a rather
> serious way. These poeple had families, big houses and children
> enrolled in expensive schools. They had been found out to have
> stuffed up businesses. One CEO drove a potentially highly successful
> business into the ground and then somehow staggered off a cliff while
> he was walking his daughter along the top of the cliff (I happened to
> attend the funeral through some a series of interconnected
> friendships). His friends said he lost his balance and the investment
> community said he jumped. I met the fellow once and cannot really
> make a judgement. My impression was that he was a lovely person who
> had been led astray down several gutters of resistance quite
> unecessarily - a tragedy that he amounted to such a useless sum at the
> end of his life.
>
> Something leads people to explore gutters of stupid behaviour (drugs,
> gambling, etc). I suggest that what does this can be explained in
> terms of a Foucauldian gaze. I do not think most of the people who do
> drugs really need to or benefit from it in any way apart from
> satisfying the drug gaze that is everywhere about them.
>
> I am not afraid of drugs or other pursuits that people engage in that
> are different to what I prefer to involve myself in. I have lived
> amongst people sucking on bongs and sticking needles in their arms;
> others I am close to are enthusiastic and committed gamblers who drain
> their disposable income in the most foolish of ways. My neighbours
> are quite open about sucking on joints or dubbies, sucking on each
> other's dicks, and fucking one another up the ass; I always have a
> sincere and friendly chat with them when we meet and we sometimes
> drink wine and eat together. I have my own blemished past and I am
> far from being a prude or wowser, but I do have a personal bias as you
> might have noticed.
>
> Lionel Boxer - 0411267256 - lboxer@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Attend MAAOE 03 --- Melbourne --- 20-22 Oct 03
> http://www.intergon.net/maaoe
> ----------------------------------------------
> In 1976 Michale Foucualt said: ... terrorism ... has a totally
> opposite effect which is to make the bourgeois class even more closely
> attached to its ideology ... (original in French) 'Le Savoir Comme Crime'
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to
> http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp
>
>
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