Carlos, this seems very true but how would it differ from a Marxist analysis
of the same subject? The marginalisation, demonisation, role of the
pharmecutical companies all seems to be the way Marxists would describe it
Anthony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlinhos Puig" <carlinhospu@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
> Anthony,
>
> Well, yes, I must agree with you, but that similarity does not change the
> problem of HIV/AIDS. Dissidents are people who are doctors, phisitians,
> researchers, people from all around the world, and they do describe the
> problem in a very reasonable way. Their view is that aids could be caused
by
> the way of life of a person - using drugs, starvation, compulsive sex, and
> they do include cigarette smoking as an activity that causes
> immunodeficiency.
> What strikes me in that controversy is the fact that very reliable
> scientists cease to have a voice in the official medical press, are
> ridiculized in the media, after just questioning a more accurate research
> before stating something as a truth.
> Personally, I am acquainted with quite a number of people who are HIV +,
but
> do try to live a healthy life (some of these people just refuse to take
any
> medication at all) and none of them is getting sick, in a period of over
ten
> years. Actually, they seem to be healthier than me, and I do smoke tobaco,
> but I´m not labeled HIV+.
> I cannot be sure about what is really happening, but a fact is that those
> scientists do have a good point on the issue, but the world deals with
aids
> in a very sensationalist way. And no one can deny that the farmaceutical
> industry does have quite a big lot of profit out of selling medication to
> that syndrome.
>
> Carlos
>
> Em 13 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>
> >Carlos, while there is merit to your point do you not think that a
> >similarity can be drawn with the tobacco industry which disputes the link
> >between cigarettes and cancer?
> >
> >Anthony
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Carlinhos Puig"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I really believe Foucault would be another personallity signing the
list
> >of
> >> the "Dissidents of Aids", the group of scientists who question the fact
> >that
> >> there is no scientific proof that it is the HIV virus that causes the
> >> sindrome. I think Foucault would line up with South Africa´s president,
> >> standing up for having food for people who die of symptoms that are
> >> considered aids, in Africa, but who are starving, and have not been
> tested
> >> (an HIV test would cost an amount that is unafordable to people who are
> >> starving, starvation have very similar symptoms to those attributed to
> >> AIDS).
> >> I think Foucault would question the farmaceutical industry, whith
bilions
> >a
> >> year involved in the discussion. He would argue and stand for a Nobel
> >Prize
> >> scientist who has no voice any longer in the official medical press,
the
> >> same one who developed the exam that tells HIV+ people the "quantity of
> >> virus" they have, and he has told the world, after receiving the Nobel
> >> Prize, that what he had developed wouldn´t be good to test HIV, and so,
> he
> >> was "banished" from the medical society.
> >> If anyone here is thinking this brazilian student is being "paranoic"
or
> >is
> >> having "conspiratory thinking" do search for the words 'Aids
dissidents'
> >and
> >> see their point of view. Power? That´s a good example IF they are to be
> >> right.
> >>
> >> Carlos
> >>
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of the same subject? The marginalisation, demonisation, role of the
pharmecutical companies all seems to be the way Marxists would describe it
Anthony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlinhos Puig" <carlinhospu@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
> Anthony,
>
> Well, yes, I must agree with you, but that similarity does not change the
> problem of HIV/AIDS. Dissidents are people who are doctors, phisitians,
> researchers, people from all around the world, and they do describe the
> problem in a very reasonable way. Their view is that aids could be caused
by
> the way of life of a person - using drugs, starvation, compulsive sex, and
> they do include cigarette smoking as an activity that causes
> immunodeficiency.
> What strikes me in that controversy is the fact that very reliable
> scientists cease to have a voice in the official medical press, are
> ridiculized in the media, after just questioning a more accurate research
> before stating something as a truth.
> Personally, I am acquainted with quite a number of people who are HIV +,
but
> do try to live a healthy life (some of these people just refuse to take
any
> medication at all) and none of them is getting sick, in a period of over
ten
> years. Actually, they seem to be healthier than me, and I do smoke tobaco,
> but I´m not labeled HIV+.
> I cannot be sure about what is really happening, but a fact is that those
> scientists do have a good point on the issue, but the world deals with
aids
> in a very sensationalist way. And no one can deny that the farmaceutical
> industry does have quite a big lot of profit out of selling medication to
> that syndrome.
>
> Carlos
>
> Em 13 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>
> >Carlos, while there is merit to your point do you not think that a
> >similarity can be drawn with the tobacco industry which disputes the link
> >between cigarettes and cancer?
> >
> >Anthony
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Carlinhos Puig"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I really believe Foucault would be another personallity signing the
list
> >of
> >> the "Dissidents of Aids", the group of scientists who question the fact
> >that
> >> there is no scientific proof that it is the HIV virus that causes the
> >> sindrome. I think Foucault would line up with South Africa´s president,
> >> standing up for having food for people who die of symptoms that are
> >> considered aids, in Africa, but who are starving, and have not been
> tested
> >> (an HIV test would cost an amount that is unafordable to people who are
> >> starving, starvation have very similar symptoms to those attributed to
> >> AIDS).
> >> I think Foucault would question the farmaceutical industry, whith
bilions
> >a
> >> year involved in the discussion. He would argue and stand for a Nobel
> >Prize
> >> scientist who has no voice any longer in the official medical press,
the
> >> same one who developed the exam that tells HIV+ people the "quantity of
> >> virus" they have, and he has told the world, after receiving the Nobel
> >> Prize, that what he had developed wouldn´t be good to test HIV, and so,
> he
> >> was "banished" from the medical society.
> >> If anyone here is thinking this brazilian student is being "paranoic"
or
> >is
> >> having "conspiratory thinking" do search for the words 'Aids
dissidents'
> >and
> >> see their point of view. Power? That´s a good example IF they are to be
> >> right.
> >>
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________
> >> Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra vírus e spams?
> >> Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br
> >> Ofertas imperdíveis! Link: http://www.americanas.com.br/ig/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >----------
>
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