Anthony,
Thank you, here you got me!
I do not like the Marxist analysis. But, as a beginner, I see myself caught
in that discourse. Could you help me out? How can we problematize this issue
in a better way?
We have a "truth" considered by the majority as so, which is that HIV causes
AIDS. We have many scientists that question that truth. We have cases of
people, individuals, and we have a context of media, official scientific
press, and a culture of fear over the syndrome. How could we problematize
that, in dispite the fact that we don´t know whether those scientists so
called dissidents are, in fact, aproaching the issue in a way that ... that
what? I don´t even know how to put it.
I don´t know whether it is whorthwhile, but this could be a good exercise.
Thanks again,
Carlos
Em 14 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>Carlos, this seems very true but how would it differ from a Marxist
analysis
>of the same subject? The marginalisation, demonisation, role of the
>pharmecutical companies all seems to be the way Marxists would describe it
>
>Anthony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carlinhos Puig"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:16 PM
>Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
>
>> Anthony,
>>
>> Well, yes, I must agree with you, but that similarity does not change the
>> problem of HIV/AIDS. Dissidents are people who are doctors, phisitians,
>> researchers, people from all around the world, and they do describe the
>> problem in a very reasonable way. Their view is that aids could be caused
>by
>> the way of life of a person - using drugs, starvation, compulsive sex,
and
>> they do include cigarette smoking as an activity that causes
>> immunodeficiency.
>> What strikes me in that controversy is the fact that very reliable
>> scientists cease to have a voice in the official medical press, are
>> ridiculized in the media, after just questioning a more accurate research
>> before stating something as a truth.
>> Personally, I am acquainted with quite a number of people who are HIV +,
>but
>> do try to live a healthy life (some of these people just refuse to take
>any
>> medication at all) and none of them is getting sick, in a period of over
>ten
>> years. Actually, they seem to be healthier than me, and I do smoke
tobaco,
>> but I´m not labeled HIV+.
>> I cannot be sure about what is really happening, but a fact is that those
>> scientists do have a good point on the issue, but the world deals with
>aids
>> in a very sensationalist way. And no one can deny that the farmaceutical
>> industry does have quite a big lot of profit out of selling medication to
>> that syndrome.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> Em 13 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>>
>> >Carlos, while there is merit to your point do you not think that a
>> >similarity can be drawn with the tobacco industry which disputes the
link
>> >between cigarettes and cancer?
>> >
>> >Anthony
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Carlinhos Puig"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:55 PM
>> >Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I really believe Foucault would be another personallity signing the
>list
>> >of
>> >> the "Dissidents of Aids", the group of scientists who question the
fact
>> >that
>> >> there is no scientific proof that it is the HIV virus that causes the
>> >> sindrome. I think Foucault would line up with South Africa´s
president,
>> >> standing up for having food for people who die of symptoms that are
>> >> considered aids, in Africa, but who are starving, and have not been
>> tested
>> >> (an HIV test would cost an amount that is unafordable to people who
are
>> >> starving, starvation have very similar symptoms to those attributed to
>> >> AIDS).
>> >> I think Foucault would question the farmaceutical industry, whith
>bilions
>> >a
>> >> year involved in the discussion. He would argue and stand for a Nobel
>> >Prize
>> >> scientist who has no voice any longer in the official medical press,
>the
>> >> same one who developed the exam that tells HIV+ people the "quantity
of
>> >> virus" they have, and he has told the world, after receiving the Nobel
>> >> Prize, that what he had developed wouldn´t be good to test HIV, and
so,
>> he
>> >> was "banished" from the medical society.
>> >> If anyone here is thinking this brazilian student is being "paranoic"
>or
>> >is
>> >> having "conspiratory thinking" do search for the words 'Aids
>dissidents'
>> >and
>> >> see their point of view. Power? That´s a good example IF they are to
be
>> >> right.
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
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Thank you, here you got me!
I do not like the Marxist analysis. But, as a beginner, I see myself caught
in that discourse. Could you help me out? How can we problematize this issue
in a better way?
We have a "truth" considered by the majority as so, which is that HIV causes
AIDS. We have many scientists that question that truth. We have cases of
people, individuals, and we have a context of media, official scientific
press, and a culture of fear over the syndrome. How could we problematize
that, in dispite the fact that we don´t know whether those scientists so
called dissidents are, in fact, aproaching the issue in a way that ... that
what? I don´t even know how to put it.
I don´t know whether it is whorthwhile, but this could be a good exercise.
Thanks again,
Carlos
Em 14 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>Carlos, this seems very true but how would it differ from a Marxist
analysis
>of the same subject? The marginalisation, demonisation, role of the
>pharmecutical companies all seems to be the way Marxists would describe it
>
>Anthony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carlinhos Puig"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:16 PM
>Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
>
>> Anthony,
>>
>> Well, yes, I must agree with you, but that similarity does not change the
>> problem of HIV/AIDS. Dissidents are people who are doctors, phisitians,
>> researchers, people from all around the world, and they do describe the
>> problem in a very reasonable way. Their view is that aids could be caused
>by
>> the way of life of a person - using drugs, starvation, compulsive sex,
and
>> they do include cigarette smoking as an activity that causes
>> immunodeficiency.
>> What strikes me in that controversy is the fact that very reliable
>> scientists cease to have a voice in the official medical press, are
>> ridiculized in the media, after just questioning a more accurate research
>> before stating something as a truth.
>> Personally, I am acquainted with quite a number of people who are HIV +,
>but
>> do try to live a healthy life (some of these people just refuse to take
>any
>> medication at all) and none of them is getting sick, in a period of over
>ten
>> years. Actually, they seem to be healthier than me, and I do smoke
tobaco,
>> but I´m not labeled HIV+.
>> I cannot be sure about what is really happening, but a fact is that those
>> scientists do have a good point on the issue, but the world deals with
>aids
>> in a very sensationalist way. And no one can deny that the farmaceutical
>> industry does have quite a big lot of profit out of selling medication to
>> that syndrome.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> Em 13 Dec 2003, foucault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx escreveu:
>>
>> >Carlos, while there is merit to your point do you not think that a
>> >similarity can be drawn with the tobacco industry which disputes the
link
>> >between cigarettes and cancer?
>> >
>> >Anthony
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Carlinhos Puig"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:55 PM
>> >Subject: Re: combats with AIDS, and Foucault's personal attitude
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I really believe Foucault would be another personallity signing the
>list
>> >of
>> >> the "Dissidents of Aids", the group of scientists who question the
fact
>> >that
>> >> there is no scientific proof that it is the HIV virus that causes the
>> >> sindrome. I think Foucault would line up with South Africa´s
president,
>> >> standing up for having food for people who die of symptoms that are
>> >> considered aids, in Africa, but who are starving, and have not been
>> tested
>> >> (an HIV test would cost an amount that is unafordable to people who
are
>> >> starving, starvation have very similar symptoms to those attributed to
>> >> AIDS).
>> >> I think Foucault would question the farmaceutical industry, whith
>bilions
>> >a
>> >> year involved in the discussion. He would argue and stand for a Nobel
>> >Prize
>> >> scientist who has no voice any longer in the official medical press,
>the
>> >> same one who developed the exam that tells HIV+ people the "quantity
of
>> >> virus" they have, and he has told the world, after receiving the Nobel
>> >> Prize, that what he had developed wouldn´t be good to test HIV, and
so,
>> he
>> >> was "banished" from the medical society.
>> >> If anyone here is thinking this brazilian student is being "paranoic"
>or
>> >is
>> >> having "conspiratory thinking" do search for the words 'Aids
>dissidents'
>> >and
>> >> see their point of view. Power? That´s a good example IF they are to
be
>> >> right.
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >> _________________________________________________________
>> >> Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra vírus e spams?
>> >> Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br
>> >> Ofertas imperdíveis! Link: http://www.americanas.com.br/ig/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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