Re: [Foucault-L] growing the question about the archive

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       <font color="#000000">        Iara and Machiel,<br>
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    I'll try to justify my point of view. </font><br>
  As before, it's an essay not a conclusive thought.<br>
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   (A) First,<br>
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<blockquote><font color="#000000">"il (l'a priori) se d&eacute;finit comme l'ensemble 
de r&egrave;gles qui caract&eacute;risent  une pratique discursive: or ces r&egrave;gles ne s'imposent 
  <small><big>pas de l'ext&eacute;rieur</big></small> aux &eacute;l&eacute;ments qu'elles mettent 
 en relation; elles sont engag&eacute;es dans cela m&ecirc;me qu'elles relient..."<br>
    AK, chap. III, sc. 5, p.168<br>
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 <font color="#000000">  It was in this sense I ment the historical a priori 
is internal to discourse. </font><font color="#000000"><br>
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 (B) Second,<br>
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<blockquote><font color="#000000">"L'archive, c'est d'abord la loi de ce
que peut &ecirc;tre dit... c'est aussi ce qui fait que toutes ces choses dites
ne s'amassent pas ind&eacute;finiment dans une multitude amorphe..."<br>
    </font><font color="#000000">  AK, chap. III, sc. 5, p.170<br>
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  <font color="#000000">It seems to me that the archive implicates the principles
 of rarefaction and&nbsp;</font><font size="3">accumulation</font><font
 color="#000000"> of statements described in section 4, p.155  and p.161
respectively. And, as I understand it, the archive seems to  be related to
this "manque"...<br>
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<blockquote><font color="#000000">"... un manque, qui au lieu d'&ecirc;tre int&eacute;rieur
 serait corr&eacute;latif &agrave; ce champ (&eacute;nonciatif) et aurait un r&ocirc;le dans la d&eacute;termination
 de son existence m&ecirc;me... des exclusions, des limites ou des lacunes..."<br>
  AK, </font><font color="#000000">chap. III, sc. 3, p.14</font>5<br>
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  And also the archive seems to be related to non-discursive domains:<br>
   
<blockquote>"L'arch&eacute;ologie fait aussi apara&icirc;tre des rapports entre les formations
 discursives et des domaines non discursifs (institutions, &eacute;v&eacute;nements politiques,
 pratiques et processus &eacute;conomiques)."<br>
  AK, <font color="#000000">chap. IV, sc. 4, p.212</font><br>
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  It was in this sense I ment the archive is exterior to discourse.<br>
But I'm not sure we can agglomerate all this figures in the archive...<br>
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  For the examples (AK, p.205-6):<br>
  "Les mots et les choses" is basicaly a work on the historical a priori. 
Comparaison between discursives formations. <br>
  "L'histoire de la folie" perhaps illustrates what is these extra-discursives 
relations of a discursive formation. <br>
   
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 Leon Farhi Neto<br>
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 Iara Onate {PG} escreveu:<br>
 
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  <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dear Leon and Marcio,</span></font></p>
      
  <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
 style="font-size: 12pt;">I am studying The Order of Things and The Archaeology 
of Knowledge and, as you can imagine, have many doubts. I did find very clarifying 
your messages about the historical a priori and the archive. </span></font>Leon 
said that the historical a priori is &#8216;internal&#8217; to a group of discursive formations,
while the &#8216;archive&#8217; is &#8216;external&#8216;. Could you perhaps give examples of each
of them in The Order of Things? And how would you understand when Foucault
says that &#8216;archaeology describes discourses as practices specified in the
element of archive&#8217;? Foucault does indeed say that: archive comprises &#8216;a
set of relations that are peculiar to the discursive level&#8217;, so it seems to
me this would mean it is &#8216;internal&#8217;. He even stated that &#8216;archive&#8217; are not
institutions, for example. I could not find it in AK (I will keep trying), 
but I have a note that Foucault states that the &#8216;archive&#8217; is a historical 
a priori. Could you please help me? Thank you very much in advance for it. 
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