Thankyou kindly Fouad. The chapter on 'thought and
cinema' in Deluzes study sounds like something I will
enjoy entertaining as a welcomed guest in my house to
share the hearth at its heart, as does the Dziga
Vertov Group's 'Ice et Allieurs'- i will draw upon
them like a strong draught.
Of all of Godards films, the one that seems to me to
carry these themes (i.e., the relation between image
and sound elaborated in terms of power, control, and
production of reality [if not subjectivity]) the
furthest and offer up the most fullest expression of
them, is by far and away '2 ou 3 choses que je sais
d'elle' (1967).
Another film I would admonish those following this
conversation to see would be Alejandro jodorowsky's
'The Holy Mountain' (1973): which follows a pilgram on
his spiritual journey to shed the cross of christ he
bears. When the floor is yours you should delight in
entertaining your audience- therefore, I dont think
its out of place here to admonish those same ears
attending us to suffer themselves to go and see
Tarkovsky's 'Andrei rublev' and 'Solaris' (upon first
viewing these films I lamented the fact that I was not
admonished to see them earlier): the first is a period
setting based medieval Europe and is most remarkable
for the way in which it embeds its figures in its
landscapes, and the second is a science fiction film
set on a space station and is most remarkable for the
way in which it casts its figures into an alien
landscape- the last scene from the space station on
solaris is of a pot-plant whose alientation from earth
is felt by the human inhabitants there. A kind of
light is cast by the drastic contrast of these two
films. These things are a fable.
Poetry is not merely decorative, much more is it
formative.
--- Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The closest linkage between Godard and Foucault
> could be made in ICI ET
> AILLEURS where the relation between image and sound
> is elaborated in terms
> of power, control, and production of reality (if not
> subjectivity): This
> 1971-1973 reflection engages with popularized early
> Foucauldian themes
> elaborated in Les Mots et Les Choses (1966) and
> L'Archeologie du Savoir
> (1969)--as well as with many other philosophical
> persepctives of the time.
> The later Godard engages more with Derrida and
> Deleuze (and Deleuze propose
> various interesting obervations on Godard's
> work--especially in the "Thought
> and Cinema" chapter of his 2-volumes on Cinema).
>
> Fouad Kalouche
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mike Willey" <wallmartyr@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's
> revolutionary sexual
> >politicsandFoucault
> >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:17:56 -0600
> >
> >Does anyone know of any other films or
> documentaries
> >which they feel I must needs see or at least be
> aware
> >of the existence of?
> >
> >Chris Marker?
> >
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Marker#External_links
> >
> >http://www.markertext.com/
> >
> >http://www.vajramedia.com/Passagen/cm.home2.html
> >
> >-MIKE.
> >
> >
> >
> >On 10/2/07, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for these orientating comments Sean. I
> see your
> > > point about the evident proximity Godards work
> stands
> > > in relation to Maoism and the Frankfurt school
> with
> > > which it was contemporaneous- these can be
> considered
> > > the melieu in which it took shape and as
> providing
> > > many of the critical resources it would draw
> upon.
> > > Without doubt.
> > >
> > > In relation to revolutionary (sexual) political
> > > film-making, has anyone anything to say about
> about
> > > Dusan Makavejev's 'W.R. The mystery of the
> orgasm'
> > > (1971)?
> > >
> > > What about Adam Curtis Ouvoure of Documentaries
> about
> > > the history of revolutionary warefare?
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of any other films or
> documentaries
> > > which they feel I must needs see or at least be
> aware
> > > of the existence of?
> > >
> > > Baited questions for hungry people... I have an
> > > appetite which yawns with an ever widening
> need...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Sean Saraka <saraka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Since no one has responded to your message
> yet, I'll
> > > > bite, though I'm not
> > > > bringing any real information to the table
> here.
> > > > But I can say this--I've
> > > > watched a lot of Godard, and I can't really
> recall
> > > > ever picking up any solid
> > > > Foucauldian resonances, myself. The political
> films
> > > > of the late 60's/early
> > > > 70's are clearly influenced by the Althusser
> and the
> > > > Maoism of '68, and in
> > > > my--again, unstudied--opinion, that's about as
> close
> > > > as Godard ever gets to
> > > > Foucault. Godard's later work I personally
> tend to
> > > > associate with Derrida
> > > > or the Frankfurt School, rather than
> > > > Foucault--although Derrida made an
> > > > interesting comment in this respect.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Sean Saraka, Ph.D.
> > > > Replacement Professor Professeur
> > > > remplaçant
> > > > School of Political Studies École des
> études
> > > > politiques
> > > > University of Ottawa Université
> d'Ottawa
> > > > 55 Laurier Avenue East 55, avenue
> Laurier
> > > > Est
> > > > Ottawa, Ontario K1N 6N5
> > > > CANADA
> > > >
> > > > Off. 10148 Desmarais Hall Bur. 10148
> > > > Pavillion Desmarais
> > > > Tel. (613) 562-5800 ext. 3202 Tél. (613)
> 562-5800
> > > > poste 3202
> > > > Fax (613) 562-5371 Téléc. (613)
> > > > 562-5371
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: foucault-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:foucault-l-
> > > > > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of michael
> bibby
> > > > > Sent: September 30, 2007 11:40 PM
> > > > > To: Mailing-list
> > > > > Subject: [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's
> > > > revolutionary sexual politics
> > > > > andFoucault
> > > > >
> > > > > As yet, I have not heard these names
> mentioned in
> > > > > connection with each other. This is an
> invitation
> > > > to
> > > > > establish such a connection extended to
> those who
> > > > may
> > > > > see one, or to point to a place where such
> has
> > > > already
> > > > > been formed. My suspicion is that there is
> much to
> > > > say
> > > > > here and that much has already been said. No
> > > > doubt,
> > > > > they were at least aquainted with one
> anothers
> > > > work;
> > > > > did one ever comment upon the other
> directly?
> > > > >
> > > > > Court fate with a felicitious grace,
> Michael.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Mail
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cinema' in Deluzes study sounds like something I will
enjoy entertaining as a welcomed guest in my house to
share the hearth at its heart, as does the Dziga
Vertov Group's 'Ice et Allieurs'- i will draw upon
them like a strong draught.
Of all of Godards films, the one that seems to me to
carry these themes (i.e., the relation between image
and sound elaborated in terms of power, control, and
production of reality [if not subjectivity]) the
furthest and offer up the most fullest expression of
them, is by far and away '2 ou 3 choses que je sais
d'elle' (1967).
Another film I would admonish those following this
conversation to see would be Alejandro jodorowsky's
'The Holy Mountain' (1973): which follows a pilgram on
his spiritual journey to shed the cross of christ he
bears. When the floor is yours you should delight in
entertaining your audience- therefore, I dont think
its out of place here to admonish those same ears
attending us to suffer themselves to go and see
Tarkovsky's 'Andrei rublev' and 'Solaris' (upon first
viewing these films I lamented the fact that I was not
admonished to see them earlier): the first is a period
setting based medieval Europe and is most remarkable
for the way in which it embeds its figures in its
landscapes, and the second is a science fiction film
set on a space station and is most remarkable for the
way in which it casts its figures into an alien
landscape- the last scene from the space station on
solaris is of a pot-plant whose alientation from earth
is felt by the human inhabitants there. A kind of
light is cast by the drastic contrast of these two
films. These things are a fable.
Poetry is not merely decorative, much more is it
formative.
--- Fouad Kalouche <fkalouche@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The closest linkage between Godard and Foucault
> could be made in ICI ET
> AILLEURS where the relation between image and sound
> is elaborated in terms
> of power, control, and production of reality (if not
> subjectivity): This
> 1971-1973 reflection engages with popularized early
> Foucauldian themes
> elaborated in Les Mots et Les Choses (1966) and
> L'Archeologie du Savoir
> (1969)--as well as with many other philosophical
> persepctives of the time.
> The later Godard engages more with Derrida and
> Deleuze (and Deleuze propose
> various interesting obervations on Godard's
> work--especially in the "Thought
> and Cinema" chapter of his 2-volumes on Cinema).
>
> Fouad Kalouche
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mike Willey" <wallmartyr@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's
> revolutionary sexual
> >politicsandFoucault
> >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:17:56 -0600
> >
> >Does anyone know of any other films or
> documentaries
> >which they feel I must needs see or at least be
> aware
> >of the existence of?
> >
> >Chris Marker?
> >
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Marker#External_links
> >
> >http://www.markertext.com/
> >
> >http://www.vajramedia.com/Passagen/cm.home2.html
> >
> >-MIKE.
> >
> >
> >
> >On 10/2/07, michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for these orientating comments Sean. I
> see your
> > > point about the evident proximity Godards work
> stands
> > > in relation to Maoism and the Frankfurt school
> with
> > > which it was contemporaneous- these can be
> considered
> > > the melieu in which it took shape and as
> providing
> > > many of the critical resources it would draw
> upon.
> > > Without doubt.
> > >
> > > In relation to revolutionary (sexual) political
> > > film-making, has anyone anything to say about
> about
> > > Dusan Makavejev's 'W.R. The mystery of the
> orgasm'
> > > (1971)?
> > >
> > > What about Adam Curtis Ouvoure of Documentaries
> about
> > > the history of revolutionary warefare?
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of any other films or
> documentaries
> > > which they feel I must needs see or at least be
> aware
> > > of the existence of?
> > >
> > > Baited questions for hungry people... I have an
> > > appetite which yawns with an ever widening
> need...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Sean Saraka <saraka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Since no one has responded to your message
> yet, I'll
> > > > bite, though I'm not
> > > > bringing any real information to the table
> here.
> > > > But I can say this--I've
> > > > watched a lot of Godard, and I can't really
> recall
> > > > ever picking up any solid
> > > > Foucauldian resonances, myself. The political
> films
> > > > of the late 60's/early
> > > > 70's are clearly influenced by the Althusser
> and the
> > > > Maoism of '68, and in
> > > > my--again, unstudied--opinion, that's about as
> close
> > > > as Godard ever gets to
> > > > Foucault. Godard's later work I personally
> tend to
> > > > associate with Derrida
> > > > or the Frankfurt School, rather than
> > > > Foucault--although Derrida made an
> > > > interesting comment in this respect.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Sean Saraka, Ph.D.
> > > > Replacement Professor Professeur
> > > > remplaçant
> > > > School of Political Studies École des
> études
> > > > politiques
> > > > University of Ottawa Université
> d'Ottawa
> > > > 55 Laurier Avenue East 55, avenue
> Laurier
> > > > Est
> > > > Ottawa, Ontario K1N 6N5
> > > > CANADA
> > > >
> > > > Off. 10148 Desmarais Hall Bur. 10148
> > > > Pavillion Desmarais
> > > > Tel. (613) 562-5800 ext. 3202 Tél. (613)
> 562-5800
> > > > poste 3202
> > > > Fax (613) 562-5371 Téléc. (613)
> > > > 562-5371
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: foucault-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:foucault-l-
> > > > > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of michael
> bibby
> > > > > Sent: September 30, 2007 11:40 PM
> > > > > To: Mailing-list
> > > > > Subject: [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's
> > > > revolutionary sexual politics
> > > > > andFoucault
> > > > >
> > > > > As yet, I have not heard these names
> mentioned in
> > > > > connection with each other. This is an
> invitation
> > > > to
> > > > > establish such a connection extended to
> those who
> > > > may
> > > > > see one, or to point to a place where such
> has
> > > > already
> > > > > been formed. My suspicion is that there is
> much to
> > > > say
> > > > > here and that much has already been said. No
> > > > doubt,
> > > > > they were at least aquainted with one
> anothers
> > > > work;
> > > > > did one ever comment upon the other
> directly?
> > > > >
> > > > > Court fate with a felicitious grace,
> Michael.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7
> > > > has free unlimited
> > > > > storage.
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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