"I'd like to elaborate on this later (but also on the
fact that each man seem to have misunderstood the
other's move - as is obvious from Godard's - public
- comments over the years as well as Foucault -private
- ones)."
I couldnt agree more Emmanuel. Irrespective of the
apparant disagreement which emerged between them there
seems to me to lie a deeper agreement which sees there
seperate projects united. I would love to see godards
films deployed in the same space as filled out by
discussions on Foucaults work (i.e., a lecture
theatre): a reading of one in the space prepared by
the other would serve only to deepen their
understanding.
--- emmanuel pehau <klossi_fr@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Michael. Err... Mister Bibby.
>
> I'm close to having seen every film JLG has made to
> date but I promise, I'm trying to heal.
>
> The links between both works are multiple.
>
> Godard and Foucault's path "crossed" three times at
> least, though they never actually met : one time in
> Nanterres, another time in Vincennes, a third time
> trhough their maoist connections - each one having
> helped found the Agence de Presse Liberation then
> the Newspaper Liberation itself. This to show they
> actually inhabited the same "small world" (though
> they usually prowled on different "edges" of it).
>
> On a side note : contrary to what another poster has
> said, Godard did catch "yellow fever" (he once
> described his "sonimage" years - 1973 to 1979 - as a
> form of convalescence), but he was never an
> "althusserian" - though in one film (and only ONE)
> he quotes Althusser famous essay ("Idéologie et
> appareils idéologiques d'état") but in his "unique"
> way (literalization, "bégaiement" and other things
> that would become prominent in his later works).
> That film was "Lotte in Italia" ('round 1970 : it
> was a "Dziga Vertocv Group" movie).
>
> Troubling the order of speech has always been part
> of Godard's cinema : through the seventies it meant
> "giving back sounds and images to the bodies on
> which they have been taken" (as Serge Daney once put
> it) - a "care" very close to Foucault's own one in
> those years ("breaking the bars of silence",
> "ceasing to speak on behalf of others" among other
> keywords) - this care is, of course, more prominent
> in Godard's work for cinema once he broke free from
> maoism (again the "SONIMAGE" era) but was already in
> his work for the leftist press (between 1971 and
> 1973 IIRC).
>
> I could make many other connections between those
> guys' work (especially their feel for what Foucault
> called "murmure", or their common defiance towards
> the notion of "information).
>
> I'd like to elaborate on this later (but also on the
> fact that each man seem to have misunderstood the
> other's move - as is obvious from Godard's - public
> - comments over the years as well as Foucault -
> private - ones).
>
> Like Mrs O'Farell I've got to get closer to my
> documentation first.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> À : Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Envoyé le : Lundi, 1 Octobre 2007, 5h40mn 12s
> Objet : [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's revolutionary
> sexual politics and Foucault
>
>
> As yet, I have not heard these names mentioned in
> connection with each other. This is an invitation to
> establish such a connection extended to those who
> may
> see one, or to point to a place where such has
> already
> been formed. My suspicion is that there is much to
> say
> here and that much has already been said. No doubt,
> they were at least aquainted with one anothers work;
> did one ever comment upon the other directly?
>
> Court fate with a felicitious grace, Michael.
>
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fact that each man seem to have misunderstood the
other's move - as is obvious from Godard's - public
- comments over the years as well as Foucault -private
- ones)."
I couldnt agree more Emmanuel. Irrespective of the
apparant disagreement which emerged between them there
seems to me to lie a deeper agreement which sees there
seperate projects united. I would love to see godards
films deployed in the same space as filled out by
discussions on Foucaults work (i.e., a lecture
theatre): a reading of one in the space prepared by
the other would serve only to deepen their
understanding.
--- emmanuel pehau <klossi_fr@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Michael. Err... Mister Bibby.
>
> I'm close to having seen every film JLG has made to
> date but I promise, I'm trying to heal.
>
> The links between both works are multiple.
>
> Godard and Foucault's path "crossed" three times at
> least, though they never actually met : one time in
> Nanterres, another time in Vincennes, a third time
> trhough their maoist connections - each one having
> helped found the Agence de Presse Liberation then
> the Newspaper Liberation itself. This to show they
> actually inhabited the same "small world" (though
> they usually prowled on different "edges" of it).
>
> On a side note : contrary to what another poster has
> said, Godard did catch "yellow fever" (he once
> described his "sonimage" years - 1973 to 1979 - as a
> form of convalescence), but he was never an
> "althusserian" - though in one film (and only ONE)
> he quotes Althusser famous essay ("Idéologie et
> appareils idéologiques d'état") but in his "unique"
> way (literalization, "bégaiement" and other things
> that would become prominent in his later works).
> That film was "Lotte in Italia" ('round 1970 : it
> was a "Dziga Vertocv Group" movie).
>
> Troubling the order of speech has always been part
> of Godard's cinema : through the seventies it meant
> "giving back sounds and images to the bodies on
> which they have been taken" (as Serge Daney once put
> it) - a "care" very close to Foucault's own one in
> those years ("breaking the bars of silence",
> "ceasing to speak on behalf of others" among other
> keywords) - this care is, of course, more prominent
> in Godard's work for cinema once he broke free from
> maoism (again the "SONIMAGE" era) but was already in
> his work for the leftist press (between 1971 and
> 1973 IIRC).
>
> I could make many other connections between those
> guys' work (especially their feel for what Foucault
> called "murmure", or their common defiance towards
> the notion of "information).
>
> I'd like to elaborate on this later (but also on the
> fact that each man seem to have misunderstood the
> other's move - as is obvious from Godard's - public
> - comments over the years as well as Foucault -
> private - ones).
>
> Like Mrs O'Farell I've got to get closer to my
> documentation first.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : michael bibby <shmickeyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> À : Mailing-list <foucault-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Envoyé le : Lundi, 1 Octobre 2007, 5h40mn 12s
> Objet : [Foucault-L] Jean-Luc Godard's revolutionary
> sexual politics and Foucault
>
>
> As yet, I have not heard these names mentioned in
> connection with each other. This is an invitation to
> establish such a connection extended to those who
> may
> see one, or to point to a place where such has
> already
> been formed. My suspicion is that there is much to
> say
> here and that much has already been said. No doubt,
> they were at least aquainted with one anothers work;
> did one ever comment upon the other directly?
>
> Court fate with a felicitious grace, Michael.
>
>
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> free unlimited storage.
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